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  • LucifersWarcraft
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    TL;DR Version:

    1.) Ban Steadman. This behavior should not be tolerated and his punishment will send a clear message to others that we won't put up with it, period.
    2.)Moderators of forums need to do just that; moderate. Police thread hijacking, bumping, double posting, ect.
    3.)People who run leagues/arena's should be actively playing in them.
    4.)Qan and Ogron would do best for the community to get along.
    5.)People on staff that are inactive need to be replaced. Staffers that are inactive for long periods need to start from the beginning of staff training ie. ZH to ensure they are competent and to reestablish with the community that they are staff.
    6.)Thanks.

    Leaving my opinion here; Steadman should be banned from TWDT for harassment, poor sportsmanlike conduct and creating a uninviting game exeprience for others. Rather than looking at losing 1 player, think of the dozen he just pissed off and the potential to lose them. I'd favor keeping the players who showed up and tried to have a fun day rather than 1 salty player. It seems like a no brainer. Warnings are pointless, set an example and ban the guy so that others who may try to act in similar fashion can think twice about it or face severe consequence.

    Thread hijacking; while I do appreciate a good read, especially when Ogron is laying it down (albeit he has been spot on for most of it) but I think the blowout should of been placed in it's own thread. This should be strictly related to our opinions on Steadman's behavior and punishment, not about how people are being screwed over or how poorly the league is being run. I'd ask moderators to start policing issues like thread hijacking, bumping and double posting (solider13). Appearance is everything and when things look this sloppy and unorganized, it's never good. Some vets or even new players may come here and see this mess that these forums are and get the wrong impression of the state SS is in currently. (I'd say it's OKAY.. Not good but not as bad as recent either. Just in case you wondered what I thought.)

    Ogran/Qan; I do find myself agreeing a lot of what Ogron brought up. He has done a terrific job with our community, turning a joke league like TWDT into something fun and vastly competitive as well as creating TSL to compensate for TWDT downtime. TSL was much better when Ogron was running it, just look at who was active and that alone speaks volumes. TSL has never been the same or as fun since Ogron was usurped from being an OP, it's a fact. TSL doesn't have anything of value as it stands, it's a total waste of time. Last two seasons they didn't even do finals or did finals and had no idea why they were doing them in the first place because finals didn't mean shit (still don't). I am offended that Skyforger, after all the drama he caused was brought into staff less than 6 months afterwards and it wasn't even me who took the abuse from him. It's no wonder Ogron is upset that not only did said people go behind his back, undo all his hard work, tarnish his reputation and strip him of his powers but also promoted the guy who was constantly harassing him for months on end. Is Ogron healthy for SS? Absolutely, I think if you can't realize he is an asset to this game, you shouldn't be involved with anything related to competition for this game.

    Which brings me to my glaring issue with Qan. Qan is a superhero in real life, I have no doubt. He goes above and beyond for us and really does his best to manage from afar. But he is not active enough to bare witness to all the issues we day to day players suffer. From Jessup, to Wiibimbo to Skyforger, staff has been all over the place and Qan has no opportunity to get the whole picture and has made really bad judgement calls because of that. Also, Qan is not a competitve player, hell, he is barely a player. I don't think Qan should have any input on competitve leagues unless it is on a technical level. Even as far as pub goes, Qan refuses to listen to criticism regarding it unless it comes from vets like Rab who like Qan, don't even participate in pub. Most of our pubbers, guess what? Don't fuck off on these forums but I know for a fact most of them don't like the mess pub has turned into. That's what it is, a total mess. Walls of green text, shit all over the map, this lie that it's not competitve yet there goes flag wins and player stats at the end of each round.

    Pub has fallen so far from grace it's ridiculous and the large part is because of people like Qan who like pub but don't actually play in it, are making all these decisions that have huge impacts on the game to basically tailor to how they like to play pub, not how we like to play pub. Every single suggestion I have ushered forward has been largely ignored because of it, it's frustrating. It's no surprise more won't speak up, it's a waste of time. I really wish people who don't play in said leagues or arena's, would not have any input on how they should function; from Rab's pub nonsense to DW being this elim wizard. They should be based off of the most active people who continually use whatever it is, whether pub, elim or twd.

    Closing thoughts; staff needs to be cleaned up and shown some love. MOM our billing op has been MIA for over a year, this is a huge problem and it needs to be addressed. Many of us have lost names and need MOM to restore them, even more so as of late since the huge influx of old vet's returning. Other staff like Qan or whomever, need to have less influence on leagues/arena's unless they are ACTIVELY engaged in those. That's not to be rude, it's just to best suit the needs to us players and create the best experience as possible for BOTH players and staff. Forums need policing just as the game does, moderators need to take some pride with them and keep things in order.

    Closing statement; Imagine if Ogron and Qan, instead of bickering at each other and holding grudges from past incidents, worked together? They both are amazing cats who have so much wasted potential when they squabble at each other. My only hope is someday they can let the past lie and move forward. This game needs it! Thanks and have a great rest of your week.

    -LW
    aka IxaDor/LamedFighter

    EDIT: I wanted to add that if a staffer is absent for over a month, they should have their powers removed. If they decide to show back up 1 month or 1 year later, they need to start over with training, going through the proper channels ie. ZH and work their way back up. There are numerous staffers who pop out for months at a time, come back and decide to throw weight. Why do ZH's and ER's wear tags? To establish to the player base they are with staff right? So if people disappear for long periods of time, new players or old players who returned, not knowing them as staff, have no idea that they are staff when they decide to come back. Also, the whole point is and correct me if I am wrong; to fill staff positions with actively engaged players right? What ever happened to quota's? This needs to be addressed. Staff like MOM, should of long been replaced. Goes for Up In Ya !! and many others who are not active. If this sounds too severe, "thank god", because that should be incentive enough for those who want to be staff to be active and up to date! So many staff from yesteryear have no idea how many of the new functions operate. For instance, players being able to join squads from within the game rather than the website. If they were forced to restart from the beginning ie. ZH training, they would know this. Does this make sense?

    EDIT 2: Just for you Tiny..

    Last edited by LucifersWarcraft; 08-09-2018, 07:50 PM.

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  • Smoking Blue
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    I wouldnt wanna play for them idiots either

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  • ronaldinho
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    Originally posted by Claushouse View Post
    rigged the lotto draft which was done in secret
    :rolleyes3:

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  • ogron
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    That's not true at all, I'm happy to admit when people do a good job.

    Major Crisis and Black Mage have run some good TWDT seasons. Aura and others ran it into the ground and killed it, and the league was considered a joke by 2013 (there wasn't even a conclusion to the TWDT-J Finals). Multiple corrupt head ops leaked FA bids, released no content, and rigged the lotto draft which was done in secret, or they were honest but incompetent like K A N E.

    Turban has done some good work over the years as well in TWL, and I appreciated the efforts you made with the bots and coding in TSL.

    I'd much rather simply play the game than have any involvement whatsoever. I've only ever stepped up because no one else competent would. Henry has done a solid job thus far in TWDT, and much better than what I saw in 2017. They should be putting up more content and stats/standings faster, but those are minor complaints, and Major Crisis and others are stepping up to fill those gaps.

    I have plenty of flaws, but lying has never been one of them, and your massive distrust of me and capping me at the knees while running leagues, while not properly stopping trolls and cheats, are extremely valid gripes. TSL is dead because you believed and trusted the wrong people, made poor design and personnel decisions in the last two seasons, and undermined me at various turns, and that is 100% on you.

    I hope everyone involved in leagues does a fantastic job (even the people I dislike). You don't see me going around spamming and harassing people in-game and with multiple threads on forums (like some people). I brought up a legitimate issue regarding bypassing ignore, and spamming people from other zones. You want to take a shot at me in your reply and force a response, you got it. Otherwise, staff should be working to fix the problems brought up, as it is one of their few actual duties, and they're the only ones with the powers to do it.

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  • qan
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    Didn't say you were a detriment, Og -- you've done a lot of work for TW, which I'm happy to admit, in contrast to the rather interesting picture you try to paint of me, a similar one you seem to paint of everyone else who isn't actually, well, you.

    The word I used was unhealthy. You're unhealthy for this community. Because you're not healthy yourself. You're never going to be able to be happy if you keep up this cycle, man. You need to recognize yourself as part of the world.

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  • Steadman
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    Does anyone read Ogron's comments lol

    I read 5 words then can't go on anymore

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  • ogron
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    Originally posted by qan View Post
    Great to see you again, Oggie.

    It's strange that I don't feel real irony saying that. While you're not the healthiest thing for this community, you certainly do keep it interesting.
    Right, keeping the game alive through 5 of the most successful TWDT seasons in the game's history and 2 great TSL seasons (before you ruined it and ran it into the ground without me) is definitely a detriment to this game. Year after year of hot or nots, previews, reviews, written and graphical content, maintaining the league's history, and spamming 500 people a season for 5 years to keep things active, while being an active player, is definitely a detriment.

    Not to mention this current season of TWDT, the last standing league of any value, is a carbon copy/paste job of all my previous work. Literally the best decision ever made by anyone currently on staff was copying that. So kudos to Vys, Henry, and Skyforger on getting that right.

    As opposed to you, Qan, who gave us this awful pub (pub used to be incredibly fun back in the day), multiple failed steam visibility rounds, and keep throwing all those new players into that dogshit pub you created and failing to retain those players by obstinately ignoring advice of players and immediately exposing them to the actual good parts of the game.

    You're not a competitive player, you have no idea how to run competitive leagues, and you're never online, which means you have zero pulse on the game or the player base.

    You instead login at 3am and listen to Jessup and Skyforger and believe what they're saying, and make terrible decisions based on those interactions because you're gullible and biased.

    The only real success in this game you've been a part of was helping me with TSL, and you decided to repeatedly undermine me and backstab me, siding with cheaters and trolls instead of properly dealing with them.

    You hide a massive ego behind your politeness and propriety, which is completely unearned given the damage you've done to this game through your incompetence over the years.

    You're the main reason behind the steam visibility rounds, pub, and TSL having failed, and you should honestly be embarrassed to be strutting around you like you thinking you're hot shit and talking down to me.

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  • Steadman
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    Qan is a fucking god

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  • Attacks
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    Originally posted by Omega Red View Post
    Well Steadman got a warning already so this seems to be over for now.

    Besides all the side arguments (which are interesting but serve no real point), we'll see next week what happens.

    Stay tuned!
    Fancy a bum?

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  • Omega Red
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    Well Steadman got a warning already so this seems to be over for now.

    Besides all the side arguments (which are interesting but serve no real point), we'll see next week what happens.

    Stay tuned!

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  • zidane
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    Oh boy this just got real interesting

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  • Tiny
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    I appreciate the concern, but....A) I didn't pick him and wasnt there to stop it B) our top line was there. It was being spammed by Steadman, and when he wasn't spamming he was refusing to play, so your argument or point youre making doesn't make sense. ty for your post though
    Last edited by Tiny; 08-07-2018, 10:50 AM. Reason: forgot to quote DW

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  • skyforger
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    Originally posted by Claushouse View Post
    this coming from the guy who spent all of last year spamming me during league matches on aliases in EG while qan kept his thumb firmly up his own butt, spammed forums harassing me with trolling bullshit, threw games in TSL, and then lied about it spending hours crying to Qan claiming he's being framed -- you're a complete fraud.

    qan looked at that behavior and said "promote that man!"

    you're a pile of human garbage, don't ever speak to me about taking the highroad again you trolling piece of shit.
    Your bs doesn't become true if you repeat it. I'll give you the benefit of doubt, if you really think I'm behind the spam attacks you are/were getting. I have spammed you once after a game and got the disciplinary action according to zone rules for it and I apologize. Never mind that you had already banned me from an entire season before that. I have never done that again and have nothing to do with your spammy EG friends, if they even exist. Swear to spaceship gods. If you need proof for closure, let me know how I can prove it.

    Let's see -

    Ogron's rule - must be banned from everything, ppl must take Ogron's word for it

    After - alleged incidents never happen. I'm actually helping staff out when can. League wise this thread is the 1st official warning thread in a long time, quite telling of what was going on back then

    So again, mistakes were made, we can continue dwell on ancient stuff or move on. Balls in your court, but I prefer the later - in fact hoping to pick you up in Free Agency for some quality bonding time.

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  • Dreamwin
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    Tiny my man, i like you but theres no reason to whine here. When you draft a player like Steadman you accept the risk of this happening. You gotta be able to handle the personality, although sometimes it can be impossible task to do. Steadman would have been drafted earlier if he had somewhat normal personality.

    Blaming Steadman for whatever amount of losses is also beyond stupid, every team could have performed better if their absolute top line showed up.

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  • qan
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    Great to see you again, Oggie.

    It's strange that I don't feel real irony saying that. While you're not the healthiest thing for this community, you certainly do keep it interesting.

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