Fun Fact - Nasty cheated to get their playoff spot (Official Appeal)

[MHz]

Allow me to make this very simple to any staff member viewing this thread.

1) Two points separated 4 teams vying for playoffs. Therefore it is completely justified to make sure everyone followed the rules in achieving those points.
2) Borrowing is a privilege - generally a team should win or lose based on the players drafted by their captain.
3) The rules - written by Ogron and copied by vys - state clearly that a borrowed player cannot be a 7* in any league.
4) Nasty borrowed a 7*+ on four occasions, including in two victories.
5) Illegal line ups = forfeit.
6) Staff gave ad hoc permission to Nasty to bypass rules and bench Cyclone (a rostered/active player of Nasty's.)
7) The difference between adding Destruct and adding Cyclone is plausibly the difference between winning and losing.
8) Giving permission to bench Cyclone is not the same as saying "borrow anyone, no matter their rating".
9) There is no such thing as a 24 hour appeal rule, despite the low iQ arguments to the contrary.
10) Power threw their last game against Nasty. This isn't disputed by anyone.
11) Ogron negged in all but one of his TWDTD performances (this last point isn't exactly crucial.)

Conclusion: Nasty broke the rules, but they did so with the partial approval of certain staff members.

The only fair outcome is some kind of head to head between Terrorist and Nasty, with the winners in each league progressing to Playoffs.

Hopefully that sounds fair to Trasher and Turban as well?

[ronaldinho]

Even if I doubt the game is affecting mental health of many players, maybe 1-2 last season, I think turban's post is the good conclusion, this is a minor league with almost no rules, we shouldn't care that much. The only thing to do next time is to not allow Cyclone to sign up to avoid this. I rather find an other thing to do than speccing a minor league every sunday night, thought that was a big deal lol.
Good luck to all teams who gonna faces the mighty Power, and hope to see Terrorist back next season.

[olde]

Rules are rules, get these bums outta here.. I bet if it was a attack's teams you would have thrown him to the wolf's already guys out here dik riding racka... Just another case of tw dik riding disease the down fall of this zone and squading all together..

[Major Crisis]

I dont think anyone knew about this "cant be 7+* in any other league" without putting the rules thread with u.. Its a dumb rule anyway, because without a doubt if someone is a 7* in jav, it has no impact on base. Most of these 7* javs have played many seasons and they dont care about base or really suck at it.

The thing I am struggling more with is the lack of communication from this so called "league team". I havent read before sunday 5 pm that Cyclone was clear to get benched all TWDT long. Why has this not been communicated with the outside world? Thats just the biggest bullshit ever. And as you can see with this 'staff allowing to borrow someone' is kinda mixed too. There is no 'pure' rule about it anymore it seems. I feel like Henry, Mark, vys and skyforger all say different stuff (I assume they are all in this 'team'). How the hell can you make sure a league is run smoothly if four people do different things? Ogron might have done some crazy shit in the past, but he never had issues like this. Rules were pretty clear to it, or the issues wouldnt even go this far. And why? Because he was basicly solo running it and there couldnt be multiple things said. Like I said before, this once again shows that Henry and Vys cant run this league properly.
The things they did is copying rules, set a zoner and start the bots. With all the other stuff they have had maybe 5% part of it.

[Singer]

I don't really care the outcome of this since I won't be able to show either way for the next few weeks, but this thread is funny and I wanted to throw in my 2 cents.

I just have to say that from an inside perspective of being in Nasty, Cyclone was a total detriment to the team, even when we were not playing him, during games the guy was always talking shit to his own teammates in the team frequency and was an obvious troll that should have been removed from Nasty, if TWD staff could have allowed it, but instead it was just decided that it was OK to never play him.. I don't get the point that we had to keep him.. but whatever, this guy was a drama starter for our team and we obviously all just did our best to ignore him during games.

As for that 7* rule.. in ANY league.. really?? I'm ranked 7 in wb and base every year without ever playing a single game.. is there even players that exists that are not a 7* in at least one league?
How old is this rule? Maybe the rating system was less of a joke back in the days but finding players online that are less than 7 in all leagues when it's time to borrow might not even be possible, the fact that destruct was a 6* in base was already bad enough so I'm not sure the point of crying about his 7* jav rating skills which had no impact the game?

Regardless, we always asked both the staff and the opposing team for permission to borrow a player before going ahead and each time it was approved... so Nasty did nothing wrong here,
If this appeal somehow gets approved, that's just abuse of a poorly written rule that is both stupid and outdated, which either way was overruled by the Staff that allowed us to borrow the players.

Take care

[maketso]

Uh oh a lot of shit been going on in this thread

But after reading the rules and appeal I believe we can all agree that according to the rules this appeal should no doubt be granted

[roro]

Since glyde decided to show up in this thread I will no longer accept him throwing a TWDTB game. If any action is taken in regards to the appeal I also anticipate his removal from TWDT. His contribution, or lack thereof due to trolling, had a bigger impact than Destruct.

Thanks!

[zidane]

Facts

Destruct is a 6* baser, who played poorly in two base wins for nasty. His 7* jav rating has no impact on playing base

Destruct was approved by staff to be borrowed for nasty as a 6* baser

One of the wins happened over 3 weeks ago, long past any normal appeal window (40-60 spider record)

The second win destruct was a part of wa this Sunday. Once again approved by staff. This game has no bearing on playoffs as nasty could have lost 15-0 and still made playoffs over terrorist on tiebreakers

[olde]

Yo I got 50cash on terrorist?!? Sup?!?

[GLYDE123]

100% they broke rules and those games shoulda been forfeited. Don't listen to this ogron troll he probably voted for trump seeing his arguement for no appeal. They cheated doesn't matter when and should be punished according to the rule of law.

[ogron]

How stupid are you man? Games a team lost with players over the star-level aren't appeal-able or relevant. Tiny wasn't in any of the wins.

Moreover, Cyclone is a known troll who throws games on purpose then denies it, I spent hours documenting this via recorded video -- Henry Saari gave them permission to not play Cyclone (as he should, totally correct call), it's a non-issue in this appeal.

Stop focusing on irrelevant shit.

The only things that matter are:

1) 24-hour rule for appeals

This should completely end the debate, and Turban/MM God/Qan other higher ups should be stepping in and resolving this, since you're a newbie with little-to-no experience running leagues or playing in them. You were all too lazy to write the rules for TWDT or properly modify them, instead you just copy/pasted my work, aren't aware of most rules that are written/unwritten in TWL/TWDT, and haven't done a lot of the work anyway, you haven't earned shit. The work has been parceled out to Major Crisis, Vys, Wirah, and others. You have no business deciding this appeal. Last year you were a stalking troll and Henry was turning TWDT format into ?go zombies

2) Should the rule even be applied?

i.e., should someone who is a 6/7/6 and played in one of their 6-star leagues as a borrow even be a rule? I put that in there because I closely monitored all borrows and double-checked scoreboxes and talked to refs.

I actually did the work, unlike you. Now you're caught in this mess because you're lazy and just want to be in charge.

I doubt any of you even knew that rule existed or intended for it to be used this season.

3) Did the infraction, on which the appeals long expired, materially affect the results?

You could actually use your brains and common sense, and evaluate whether Destruct provided some inherent value above a normal 6-Star borrow in base. The answer is clearly no.

Conclusion

On the legal level, the appeals window has long been closed. On the common sense level, Destruct didn't change the results of either game.

If this appeal is granted and Nasty is removed from the playoffs, league ops are a total joke. It has no material impact on my team since we play Blind regardless, but this farce Commodo has put on delving into old scoreboxes is pathetic and shouldn't be rewarded.

[skyforger]

The only game Cyclone has played in the season is this. It does not look like he is doing what he did in TSL.

[COLOR=#333333]Result of Nasty vs. Blind: 6:15 - 15:00   19 Aug 2018 22:16:35[/COLOR],
---------------------------------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----.
|                               K |    D |   TK |    Points |   FT |  TeK | RPD |    Rating | LO |
|                          ,------+------+------+-----------+------+------+-----+-----------+----+
| Nasty                   /   307 |  411 |    5 |     36954 |    7 |    3 | 441 |        41 |  1 |
+------------------------'        |      |      |           |      |      |     |           |    |
|  BrokenFist                  63 |   48 |    0 |      5912 |    1 |    0 |     |        28 |  0 |
|  [B]Cyclone                     44 |   31 [/B]|    0 |      4239 |    0 |    0 |     |         1 |  0 |
|  Jizzron Phillips            58 |   65 |    0 |      4786 |    0 |    0 |     |         9 |  0 |
|  Lockdown                     8 |    8 |    0 |      1450 |    0 |    0 |     |       SUB |  0 |
|  Singer                      56 |   45 |    0 |      5653 |    1 |    1 |     |         2 |  1 |
|  Tiny                        21 |   10 |    0 |      4200 |    0 |    1 |     |         0 |  0 |
|  Trasher                     12 |   77 |    3 |      2177 |    0 |    0 | 2.9 |       --- |  0 |
|  turban                       8 |   76 |    2 |      2710 |    4 |    1 | 2.8 |         1 |  0 |
|  Wirah                       37 |   51 |    0 |      5827 |    1 |    0 |     |       SUB |  0 |

Of course the guy has bad history, but what bearing does that have if he stopped that? Many of us haven't exactly been model netizens of TW. For whatever reason he was admitted to this TWDT on purpose and rated as the only 5-star player. Once players are drafted, there is no special treatment or it had to be said publicly and outright. Many caps would have picked up Cyclone if it was announced as a Borrow-7-star-players-free-card. If he had broken rules at any point in this season, league team would be quick to ban him and announce it.

The above scorebox looks to me like he tried his best given his rating?! Also worth emphasizing that Racka drafted him on purpose, was not even the last draft round, there were like a dozen players still unpicked remaining. It really sucks for Nasty players that punch above the belt, of which there are many, but Racka knew what he was doing and he was present this Sunday games after being warned about this.

As Cyclone hasn't done anything wrong in this TWDT, this looks more and more like Nasty using Cyclone's bad rep and community's justified hate of him to get away with going around the rules for their benefit.

That is not to take away from the other grounds for appeal Terrorist has risen, like even in the scorebox above they also have a 7/9/7 borrow in. Something other teams were not allowed to do and did not.

[Rab]

.. and to go slightly off-topic as a closing comment, I do still believe that double-elimination playoff brackets are the way to go and thus I am inclined to disagree with a certain persons comment. They are extremely common and actually the preferred way of doing any form of online tournament or competition simply because it gives the highest chance of having two best teams facing each other in the finals.

This should defo happen for next season.

[Turban]

TWDT never had in-depth rules and has always relied on league operators to make a good judgement call when something out of the ordinary happened during the season. In comparison we had several players contributing towards the rules for TWL as an attempt to eliminate as much of the gray area as possible, but you honestly can't expect a league that has mostly been ran by single person for all these years to give the combined effort of many—a lack of resources, and thus the league has more often than not relied on the use of common sense when it comes to cases such as this one.

Nevertheless this league has never been the most serious of competitions, and many see it as a joke myself including, and I feel without a slight rework to the league rules and mechanics it will continue to be a minor league meant to be played for fun while attempting to introduce the competitive aspect of this game to less invested players.

Trasher was doing our lineups for pretty much every basing match and RaCka was not involved in any shape or form given how he has no clue about basing. Unfortunately there was no way to drop Cyclone from our team which is something we would have loved to do given how toxic it is to play with him, and thus getting permission to not add him from league operators was the best option available for our team. In my opinion enforcing rules—which are extremely lacking to begin with, and that's putting it lightly—to ruin the experience of one team would go against the true nature of this competition.

.. and to go slightly off-topic as a closing comment, I do still believe that double-elimination playoff brackets are the way to go and thus I am inclined to disagree with a certain persons comment. They are extremely common and actually the preferred way of doing any form of online tournament or competition simply because it gives the highest chance of having two best teams facing each other in the finals. There is no perfect solution and some people will always be unhappy, however I would like to believe that most players with even the slightest bit of sportsmanship quality would prefer to have the best teams facing each other in the finals.

There's my two cents, stay classy boys and try to have some fun in your alternate reality where apparently virtual titles in a 2D space shooter game with dwindling population matter way too much to the point where it is affecting the mental health of many players.

[ogron]

Lol, yawn. That's a lot of hyperbole with no argument! I guess me shitting all over your "24 hour rule" nonsense really hit you in the feels.

The irony of a man-child with 1/100000000th of my clutch talking about "winning" is also not lost on me.

The only thing useful about your post would be if I printed it off, chopped it into squares, and used it to wipe my arse. But I wouldn't even do that - my arse deserves better.

Anyways, nothing here to refute. Let me know if you've got more than some oestrogen-induced panic attack.

LOL, what planet do you live on, I've won significantly more than you, and that's even after the joke that was S21 where we eliminated you in a best-of-3 with both teams fielding full lines, and you once again pulling off bullshit and forcing delays because you're missing players, and causing us to lose key starters who we never lost with. Your only other title was S19, where beat you in the playoffs (again), and we didn't have Mattey for the Finals and, unlike you, didn't force some bullshit delay and actually played. You'd have zero TWL titles without Turban's weird, dogshit bracket rules. You've been knocked out by us every "title" you've won. Get real, kid.

Honestly, your entire TW career is delays and looking for loopholes, you forced a delay for your only TWDT titles that screwed over Power and Thunder, you forced delays TWL 21, now you're trying to weasel your way into the TWDT playoffs this year.

You're a joke whose only wins were the product of procedural technicalities.

You got stomped this season, and I crushed you in WB and Base WEEK 5 to keep you out of the playoffs, and instead of actually performing and earning wins, you're scouring 3 week old boxscores.