the thought of this makes me sick

[aussie]

Let's just all try to NOT shoot each other and kill each other, etc. ?

[K Money]

K Money, that was the most ignorant thing I've ever heard anyone say. France doesn't owe you anything. I don't think any country owes any other country anything.

And the thing about Canada going out to send mounties to fight? Umm.. we don't even get involved in wars, so why would we be sending out anyone anyways? (Other than Peace Keepers) And on top of that point, do you know where you get most of your weapons from? Canada. We take your stupid shit ass guns and your stupid machinery and make it better.. you should go read up about that.
Hmm.. we also supply your electricity for the west coast, some of your natural gas and most of your water, because you don't have enough to supply your people with clean water.

The next time you want to bitch about someone else's country, take a look at your own first.

On this whole war thing though, I think the reason they went there was wrong, because America didn't really have any proof to go in there other than Bush's assumptions. But what the Iraqis are doing now to innocent people is just wrong.
In my opinion I think America should just leave them alone, evidentally the Iraqis don't want their help. Besides, they've done everything they can now.
There will always be some radical group in every country who doesn't like what another group is doing, and shit happens I guess.

France doesn't owe us anything?? Without us they wouldn't even be a country, without us gettin involved in WWII, europe could very well have been screwed. I'm not bashing or dissin anyones country, if i did, i didn't mean too. But a lot of people are saying that this American citizen "deserved" this cruel act done to him. Saying that America "deserves" to look like shit. I'm simply defending my country, i love my country. Yes we have made mistakes I.E. Vietnam, Cuba, and right now Iraq. But don't bash the shit of the USA because we made a mistake. Shit, do you know if there are or aren't weapons of mass destruction somewhere in fuck Iraq? No you don't. There could very well be some somewhere on that shithole of a country. Oh and btw, Canada has sent some troops into wars, you should go look that up smartass. And we don't just get our shit from Canada, we get it from all over the world. And i doubt canada makes a majority of our weapons, maybe our maple syrup and labatts blue beer.

But this thread isn't about that now, so i'm gonna drop that.

What is is about is the inhumane murder of a American citizen. I also agree with you aussie, that we need to get the fuck out of there. I'm gettin sick of our troops gettin murdered and killed day by day. Iraq can fuckin rot in hell for all i care now. I'd rather see our boys home then keep hearing about who got killed and all that other bullshit.

[Liquid Blue]

Want the war to end soon? Convince our congressmen(and women) to cut off funding for iraq. Without thier approval on its budget, it goes belly up =p

Eh, easier said than done. The best thing we can do right now IMO, is get our soldiers the hell out of Iraq. But even that is not going to be easy..feh. It's such a fucking mess. If my country has any grain of sense left in them, Bush won't get re-elected. Of course he wasn't supposed to win in the first place (Florida) but let's just hope for the best.

[Nethila]

France doesn't owe us anything?? Without us they wouldn't even be a country, without us gettin involved in WWII, europe could very well have been screwed. I'm not bashing or dissin anyones country, if i did, i didn't mean too. But a lot of people are saying that this American citizen "deserved" this cruel act done to him. Saying that America "deserves" to look like shit. I'm simply defending my country, i love my country. Yes we have made mistakes I.E. Vietnam, Cuba, and right now Iraq. But don't bash the shit of the USA because we made a mistake. Shit, do you know if there are or aren't weapons of mass destruction somewhere in fuck Iraq? No you don't. There could very well be some somewhere on that shithole of a country. Oh and btw, Canada has sent some troops into wars, you should go look that up smartass. And we don't just get our shit from Canada, we get it from all over the world. And i doubt canada makes a majority of our weapons, maybe our maple syrup and labatts blue beer.

But this thread isn't about that now, so i'm gonna drop that.

What is is about is the inhumane murder of a American citizen. I also agree with you aussie, that we need to get the fuck out of there. I'm gettin sick of our troops gettin murdered and killed day by day. Iraq can fuckin rot in hell for all i care now. I'd rather see our boys home then keep hearing about who got killed and all that other bullshit.

correction: france do owe american something, but they don't owe YOU, or bush's government. They owe the US government during WWI and WWII. not YOU. The way you are arguing is stupid, "oh without US, france wouldnt even be a country." heh, ever thought about how US comes to existence? without European travelling across the sea, neither US or Canada would have existed. If US is under attack by another country right now, any europe country would be willing to send forces to help, the reason France didn't help US on the war of Iraq is to them, Iraqis didnt nothing wrong. You can't expect a country to help you and attack another country that you think is holding weapon of MASSIVE OMG OWNAGE BOOM BOOM KABOOMY just because they owe you like 50 years ago.

Also, who are you? just a US citizen, you have no right in claiming Frace owe you. Let your government claim that. Stop taking credits for other people. Let me put it this way, YOU owe everyone who fought in WWI and WWII, not just France, YOU too owe them your life. So before claiming France not helping, why don't you join the army, go to Iraq, and fight a battle? Do something useful before saying other people owe you

[CrvenBan]

Conspiracy theory

Bloggers doubt Berg execution video
By Lawrence Smallman

Friday 14 May 2004, 0:08 Makka Time, 21:08 GMT


Was this really Nick Berg's last moment or was he killed earlier?

Revolting millions around the world, the video footage of an American citizen's execution has also raised numerous questions concerning its authenticity.


Even at first glance, internet bloggers were asking on Thursday why Nick Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit – just like US prisoners wear.

Other net surfers point to the unlikely timing of the executioner's dubbed announcement that Berg was to die for "Iraqi prisoner abuse".

Berg was last seen alive on 10 April, when his father Michael Berg believes he was killed - two weeks before the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal broke in the world's media.

Some discussions focus on the timing of the video's release - guaranteed to divert attention from the outrage over US abuse of Iraqis.

Video oddities

There are plenty of questions raised concerning the video too. The body is completely motionless even as the knife is brought to bear – not so much as an instinctive wriggle.

More graphically, some claim that cutting the throat's artery would cause a significant amount of blood to gush out. But little emerges and when the head was raised – not a drop of blood is seen to fall.

In a possible explanation, one discussion room member suggested that Berg was killed and then beheaded later.

However, the circumstances of the video release are also strange. A Reuters journalist in Dubai first named the Muntada al-Ansar al-Islami website as the source for the video – at www.al-ansar.biz.

Although the site has now been shut down, Aljazeera.net looked at the site within 90 minutes of the story breaking – and could find no such video footage.

But Fox News, CNN and the BBC were all able to download the footage from the Arabic-only website and report the story within the hour.

Days before death

Other questions presented by bloggers are Berg's peculiar circumstances in the weeks before his death. Why would a private Jewish American citizen choose to wander around Iraq by himself?

Additionally, some have pointed out that his last email on 6 April to his family stated he wished to return home as soon as possible – yet the FBI claims he refused an offer of help to get home.

In the wider press, FBI involvement has also generated much discussion as to why Berg was really arrested and detained for two weeks in Mosul.

The unemployed visitor was suspicious enough for Iraqi police to arrest him – with FBI knowledge.

He had only just been released from prison where he had been held for 13 days by Iraqi police for reasons he said he did not know.

Family blames government

A US newspaper claims an official familiar with the case knew that FBI agents had interrogated Berg, but had left him for two weeks because he was in Iraqi - not American - custody.

But the official was unable to clarify the legal difference between the two, given the US occupation.

On 5 April, Berg's family filed a suit in federal court in Philadelphia - contending that their son was being held illegally by the US military in Iraq. The next day, he was released and left to get himself home.

The last time the family heard from him was on 9 April. His headless body was found near Mosul on 8 May.

"That's really what cost my son his life, the fact that the United States government saw fit to keep him in custody for 13 days without any of his due process or civil rights," Michael Berg said.

Final question

Some bloggers focused on the accent of the purported executioner. Many deny the accent is either Iraqi or Jordanian - while claims the voice is Egyptian or Iranian have been made.

The Jordanian accused of the beheading Berg is himself believed to have been killed in March, according to two Islamist groups.

An eight-page leaflet circulated this week in Falluja said Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniya mountains of northern Iraq during a US bombing.

But even if it were the Jordanian, one discussion room member observes his face is so well-known that "why would he bother to cover it?"

[Troll King]

I wonder when Bloggers will learn what the phrase "too soon" means.

[Gemfire]

I heard somewhere an Italian guy had the same fate or something similiar...not sure if its true...

[THE ENFORCER]

To all those you said we should just leave i dont think thats correct because if we leave now Iraq will go into utter choas and descend into violence and anarchy this is because there will be a power vacum and the iraqi authority to have enough force to stop this. If we leave now then it is most likely that another dictator will rise agian in Iraq at a future date, the world will also condem US even more also anything fought for Iraq will be lost.

Therefore the best thing to do is support our troops in Iraq (whether you agree with the war or not) until the job is done. Once the job is finished then complain and bitch about the war but doing it now only does harm for the war effort.

[Subjugation]

interesting post, crvenban. thx.

[zx.]

Sarien do you use that name in SS?

[THE ENFORCER]

Sarien do you use that name in SS?

lol now you are hunted Sarien

[zx.]

lol now you are hunted Sarien

SHHHHHHHHHHHH, he might not tell me now

[Sarien]

Yes I do.

Hunting a guy that just bases will be a pretty neat trick though.
I think that's otherwise known as "also basing". Not to mention I play shark, which makes me just -extra- hard to kill, especially when I want a fresh set of reps, and go out hunting for a good way to die.

[zx.]

.....ooooh good come back :up: well done!