Wow this sucks

[bloodzombie]

The money issue would be solved in the long run though. This is because if the government some how (i dont know how-read last paragraph) pays for everyone's tuition now on a loan. Then the for the next generation the government would simply use the money that they would get back from previous generation. And before you say that more and more people would be going to universities thus the money comming in by previous students wont be sufficient for the money going out. You have to remember these graduates will be making alot more (2X or 3X more) than if they didnt go to university thus the government will also recieve extra money from income tax. Maybe inorder to overcome the money problem in the first round just make this loan only available to those families that cant afford it thus place an income/asset criteria and probably raise taxes but i wouldnt raise taxes on student expenses like school books maybe just raise more taxes on cigarettes and alcohol cause you can bleed people with addication dry (not that was a joke please dont post a whole length argument telling me of the social costs of this) .
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"Thats excatly what i said, they dont pay income tax but they pay taxes on goods and services! Why are you repeating what ive already said"

My point to awesome was that they're paying their taxes with handouts... so they're not really paying anything.. I think we agree, but sometimes it's hard to tell with you.


This basically already exists. The people whose parents mortgage their homes to pay for college did it because mortgage interest is tax deductable, tuition interest isn't if you make more than a certain amount after school (I think it's 30k/year). I think people whose parents make a lot of money do have trouble getting loans sometimes though.

[THE ENFORCER]

"Thats excatly what i said, they dont pay income tax but they pay taxes on goods and services! Why are you repeating what ive already said"

My point to awesome was that they're paying their taxes with handouts... so they're not really paying anything.. I think we agree, but sometimes it's hard to tell with you.


This basically already exists. The people whose parents mortgage their homes to pay for college did it because mortgage interest is tax deductable, tuition interest isn't if you make more than a certain amount after school (I think it's 30k/year). I think people whose parents make a lot of money do have trouble getting loans sometimes though.

I C, so if i wanted to go to harvard and im earning less than 30k could i borrow 10k a year from the government to finance harvard? Also if this is true then doesnt the government have enough money to finance this project already? Also HECS doesnt have a income criteria so we are still better but for the rich the government subsidies the one-off payment so it doesnt pay for the rich to be on HECS.

[Subjugation]

Yea another smart comment by another smart person . Maybe with comments like these you should look to yourself to see who the troll is.

pff, what...because you go a week without trolling means you're turned over a new leaf? even money says you start up again before this thread runs its course.

[Troll King]

If he's trolling here, he's not doing it right, as he's agreeing with things several other people have already said. Of course, coming out of left field and calling him a troll in this thread isn't something a troll would do, is it?

[Subjugation]

tk, just because your girlfriend wasn't trolling for 5 minutes doesn't mean he's suddenly not a troll. and besides, if i was a troll, i'd have beef with everyone, not just 1 person.

[THE ENFORCER]

tk, just because your girlfriend wasn't trolling for 5 minutes doesn't mean he's suddenly not a troll. and besides, if i was a troll, i'd have beef with everyone, not just 1 person.

J=T by your definition a "troll" is someone who stirs up trouble (in only going by the definition your giving me because ive never heard of this insult before) clearly your trying to stir me up by such a statement. Also i havent argued with people for the sake of arguing, you should have noticed that the only people i aruged with are left-wing people and i wouldnt even call it aruging i call it having a political discsussion. Never the less you still cant come out calling me a troll on one thread when its clear that i didnt act like a "troll" its just simply unfair.

Also J=T i wouldnt say that i was troll-kings gf simply because troll king and i have had alot of disagreements he only comments against you when you are simply trying to unjustly attack me.

[Subjugation]

please don't put words in my mouth. i never stated a definition. and yes, i've seen you argue with people just for the sake of aruguing. i've seen it in more than one thread.

and i said girlfriend because tk enjoys defending your honor, like you were his fair maiden.

[Da1andonly]

You know what the US should do? Forget about the military for one year, just leave it be. Stop upgrading and buying and inventing new things that has to do with war, for ONE single year. Boom, there you'd have a shitload of money, hundreds of billions. That money could be spent on ie. the educational system there, which totally sucks now. (The rich get education, the less wealthy get none, because they can't afford college, and that again leads to people becoming gangstas/thieves/whatever and doing absolutely NOTHING towards your own country). It should be something along the lines of what we have here in Finland (just an example, for you yankee fanatics, I'm not saying Finland rules, in any way), which is that everyone gets to go to school, it's free, and you even get school food for free. The government pays the teachers and the stuff that has to be bought, and the taxpayers pay the government for doing this. So it goes out equally. The educational system that exists in the US at the moment, is pure bullshit, could almost be called discrimination. Atleast towards the less wealthy. My 2 cents. Adios.

[THE ENFORCER]

please don't put words in my mouth. i never stated a definition. and yes, i've seen you argue with people just for the sake of aruguing. i've seen it in more than one thread.

and i said girlfriend because tk enjoys defending your honor, like you were his fair maiden.

J=T stop being a troll please.

[Subjugation]

i know you have problems with these kinds of conclusions, but just because i don't like you doesn't mean i'm a troll.

[THE ENFORCER]

i know you have problems with these kinds of conclusions, but just because i don't like you doesn't mean i'm a troll.

If you dont like me then keep it yourself or send me private messages but dont put personal attacking comments on the public threads please.

Actually if you really want to get it out ive created an opening for you on the Name One thread.

[abrasion]

Nah i think theres a loop-hole to that. I don't quite remember what to tell them, but it's got something with being unable to fight because mentally you hold yourself back. Anyone can say it, its not like you have to prove it.

[Claim]

canada 4 real freedom

If this passes I'll flee to Canada <Even though I'm only 14 >

[Subjugation]

how would someone actually emigrate to canada? i mean, what kinds of legal steps are required? and what about migrants that seek work?

[Awesome]

Just out of curiosity, has any of the americans here seen Bowling for Columbine by Michael Moore? I just saw it last night. I think if you're an american, you should want to see this video. Has some good canada/america comparisons in it.