[TW MAFIA] Doom of Westeros

[the_paul]

I can't believe I'm planning on hitching my horse to Exalt's wagon. I'd like to hear what Voth has to say when he gets time, but Exalt's logic on Backwards claim seems to hold up

[Exalt]

I'd rather move to Rodney or Erias right now, but I'm guessing that's not going to happen organically, and WillBy being pushed by Backwards sounds like scum flailing.

[Exalt]

A survivor is NOT a non-threat, if town is losing the last day phase before the end of the game the survivor will side with scum... town doesn't know who's town and the scum team will act together and the survivor will just vote with scum to take a Win

He's also not scum, so it doesn't matter right now. Scum are the target right now. WillBy can't be trusted, but he's also not worth wasting a day phase over if he's actually a Survivor. Sorry, but you already fucked up by lynching Halp with this same bullshit policy lynch excuse. You're not getting TWO policy lynches in a row. Not gonna fucking happen.

VOTE: Backwards for pushing for two policy lynches in a row, rather than looking for actual scum. Also, his name claim sounds like bullshit to me. I'd believe him if he said something even slightly less obscure like Hodor, but Alister Thorn sounds like a scum fakeclaim. Scum would know damn well nobody is going to pick an obscure 3rd stringer as their name in a theme using Game of Thrones, a show with hundreds of characters.

[the_paul]

To be clear, if you think Willby is telling the truth, we absolutely need to keep him on our radar and work out what his win conditions are/can be. If he really is a survivor, and we know about it on day 2, I personally think that it would be a gigantic waste to lynch him at this point instead of at least putting pressure on the lurkers and figuring things out, but that's just my opinion.

If he's scum, he made a pretty boneheaded fucking move to come out and claim the biggest villain in the fucking series before day 2 is over. If you believe that, he should be voted out and taken care of today. That's my opinion on where we're at

[the_paul]

A survivor is NOT a non-threat, if town is losing the last day phase before the end of the game the survivor will side with scum... town doesn't know who's town and the scum team will act together and the survivor will just vote with scum to take a Win

That's fair, if Willby is your biggest concern, vote for him. I want to lynch one of the scum members and avoid it coming down to the last phase with close numbers. I'm inclined to believe Exalt (I can't believe I just said that), so my next focus is getting name claims from people to flush out who Exalt is looking for. That's why lurkers are at the top of my radar

[the_paul]

Damn Field really fucked you if that's the case

[sdrawkcab]

Lynching a complete non threat doesn't do anything for us IMO. He's harmless, and we've already gone down a policy lynch road that people tried to use as ammo against others. Why lynch a survivor when it is very probable that at least 1 scum is hiding among the lurkers?

Now if you don't believe his claim, then that's a completely different story, and a lynch that I could understand.

A survivor is NOT a non-threat, if town is losing the last day phase before the end of the game the survivor will side with scum... town doesn't know who's town and the scum team will act together and the survivor will just vote with scum to take a Win

[Exalt]

I'm gonna drop a bomb to get this game moving in the right direction, because it's floundering right now.

Under normal circumstances, I'd be lynching WillBy in a heartbeat, but after looking at my role and thinking about it some more, I somewhat believe them. I wouldn't if my role didn't say what it does, but under the circumstances, I think it's logical to belief both WillBy and Paul right now.

I'm going to do something I never do and and roleclaim, because I think it might actually help in this situation. It's not a complete full claim, because fuck you, but it's enough. Scum probably just got hard after reading this, but whatever.

I'm a Realm-Aligned Knight of the Kingsguard (Town ______ ). I'm not telling you what the _____ is, so fuck off. You can be sure it isn't Flathead Fuck Fuck Firefighter, Queen Reagent Who Fucks Brothers To Make Incest Kings, or Night King Survivor That Kills Incest Children Kings Even Though I Take Craster's Incest Children To Make White Walkers Like Me though.

I win when all threats to the Realm are eliminated. AND I was on the lynch train of someone specific. I asked Field if I win if I lynch this person and scum win, and he said no, so unlike WillBy, I'm not a third party survivor, and my role literally says Town. I asked if I win if this person gets NK'd before I can lynch them, and Field said he would then ignore the lynch wincon. It's pretty weird to me, because I have to somehow lynch this person AND win with town, or I lose even if town wins in the end. It's like being a VT with a much more difficult wincon.

There's one important kicker that should be said, just in case. Here's where the townies among you will almost certainly get fucked up after I inevitably die this game, since I just put a target on my back: my role and alignment will be obscured when I flip. I will simply flip as The Hound.



So yeah, there you have it. This is why I agreed with the name claiming. It's also why I want to lynch anyone that didn't name claim. Rodney said his role was partially a Lynchee, and since he refused to name claim, I'm wondering if he is the person I'm looking for. I'm positive the person I need to lynch is not town, so IF he is town, he isn't it. In that case, it means I'm looking for someone else, and it means there are multiple Lyncher/Lynchee roles in this game. Rodney said his role tells him that he is being hunted by someone, so my guess is that the person I'm looking for knows they are being hunted too. Since I basically gave out my character name already, I think it's likely that if they ever watched the show, they know I'm the one who is looking for them already. Erias voting me after saying he thought I was town could mean he's this person. He also hasn't name claimed.

So TL;DR: I'm looking for a specific scum player to lynch. I don't automatically win once i lynch them, since town also has to win, but I do not win if I don't lynch this player, even if town wins in the end. Everyone that name claimed already is pretty much off my list except for Backwards, because I don't really believe his 3rd stringer Alister Thorn claim. If Backwards isn't lying though, then Rodney or Erias are my next possible choices, followed by Jerome, Missa, and intertube. I think that's everyone that didn't name claim.

[the_paul]

Wait a minute. I can't open another tab or my computer will explode.

Didn't Voth claim Bran Stark? He ends up as king, so that's at least 1 king in this game as a character. I don't remember for sure that it was Voth, but I think it was

[the_paul]

You admit you couldn't care less if we lynch willby, he claimed not-town... we will want to lynch him eventually because of that... doing it now prevents a misslynch

Lynching a complete non threat doesn't do anything for us IMO. He's harmless, and we've already gone down a policy lynch road that people tried to use as ammo against others. Why lynch a survivor when it is very probable that at least 1 scum is hiding among the lurkers?

Now if you don't believe his claim, then that's a completely different story, and a lynch that I could understand.

[the_paul]

Sorry, voth was doing it before.. he's calmed down now.. t_p voting wierd... why the hell not just lynch willby, paul???

Because he's basically claimed 3rd party survivor type role. If you believe his claim, he's not a threat to town at this point because he doesn't have a role that kills or roleblocks or anything like that. If you don't believe his claim, then I absolutely understand voting him, because the only reason he would lie is because he's scum.

Friendly reminder that the Voth wagon coming after me started because I participated in a "policy lynch". Anyone who criticized that, but votes for Willby while believing his claim because it's a "policy lynch" is absolutely scummy as fuck.

I don't know whether I believe Willby or not. If he's scum, claiming Night King was either brilliant or a Jessup level fuckhead move. If he's telling the truth, we know who he is and we can decide later once the scum team is sorted out what to do with him. That's how I see it anyway, so honestly I'm not overly concerned with Willby at this point. I'm more concerned with hearing from these lurking fuckheads that nobody seems to care about, and seeing if we can squeeze some activity out of them and sort out this "King" bullshit.

[Voth]

LOL.

Unvote Willby

i will explain later when I have time

[sdrawkcab]

You admit you couldn't care less if we lynch willby, he claimed not-town... we will want to lynch him eventually because of that... doing it now prevents a misslynch

[the_paul]

WillBy Care to elaborate? Do you have an NK ability too, or not? If not, then do you agree with the logic I just mentioned above is basically impossible odds, therefore you pretty much have no shot at victory? Especially now, if Paul picks a confirmed townie to be king, the doctor will likely protect that person, so scum won't be able to kill them. You have no shot at victory under the conditions you gave for your role. Do you agree with this sentiment?

Also, to be clear, my action is a night action PM'd to Field. That person is announced as king at the beginning of the following day phase. I'm probably not going to publicly say who I picked, because you're exactly right about the Mafia being able to kill that person and make this whole thing pointless. Like I said, they could just kill me at night, but I wouldn't cry about that since that means one more night for town power roles to do work. Plus, as it is, Voth and Company are still likely to push to lynch me either today or tomorrow anyway. Like I originally said, marginally useful role.

[sdrawkcab]

Sorry, voth was doing it before.. he's calmed down now.. t_p voting wierd... why the hell not just lynch willby, paul???