TW Mafia: Sweet Vengeance

[WillBy]

I am going to go ahead and vote grand.

Literally nothing has changed from Day 1 except that we have two dead townies because for some real people thought it was a good idea to lynch the very first bandwagon of the game.

However, since then, Grand has shown up, voted
me for the second day in a row on revenge principle alone, and disappeared again. He has lied and been inconsistent all game. Make sure that you all trust his "instinct" after the nonsense he has pulled all game.

I have my suspicions with Kthx but they are just that - suspicion - and not enough to warrant a vote right now as far as I'm concerned. It was interesting to see who
hopped on the bandwagon after Exalt's vote though.

Halp is beyond useless but it seems like a waste to
lynch him because it would be a policy lynch alone and tell us nothing.

Willby has been lurking more than usual and not being very helpful in regards to scum hunting - could definitely be scum.

So far, Exalt, Backwards, and ixt appear town-aligned to me.

Typical for Voth to ignore accusations by throwing shit all over and see what sticks. Guy manages to accuse over half the players of being scum. If hes right, we already lost.

As far as not being helpful in scum hunting, I've been voting grand for at least as long as you have, so if I'm not helpful than neither are you.

i agree about backwards, exalt gives me some pause for his strategies, and you like ixt? Lol.

regarding exalts strategies, I mean that he wants us to lynch 3 vengefuls so they can kill super saints, because directly lynching the supersaints will let mafia avoid the reactive kill? Anyone else see the problem here? We lose 4 vengeful townies regardless if we want to kill 4 mafia supersaints. Or we can just lynch the saints, and go after the obvious scum that hop ship to protect their buddies.

[Voth]

so what, wait for mod to DQ him? sure ill wait on field.

Pretty much. Then we don't waste a lynch on him if he is town. At this point I'm sure Rodney is close to officially warning him.

RoDNeY any thoughts?

[ixt]

so what, wait for mod to DQ him? sure ill wait on field.

[Voth]

And if he really is SuperSaint townie? no thanks im zeroed in on halp/field.

I agree with the suspicion on field - I am just waiting for his response to pass final judgement.

With regards to Halp, personally I would love to get him out of the game because he is lurking and useless, but lynching him pretty much tells us nothing and we can go into Day 3 with the same problem as Day 1 and Day 2.

[ixt]

And if he really is SuperSaint townie? no thanks im zeroed in on halp/field.

[Voth]

I dont necessarily think all Supersaint claims are scum (although that could change if multiple supersaints flip red), but I dont see why shooting grand over lynching him (and losing a townie in the process if he didnt lie) is a bad idea. It does take the vengeful person being lynched to agree to shoot them, which is pretty iffy as Downfall showed, but it works in theory. Everyone wants to lynch grand, but I'm not the one who will be voting last on him, and if a vengeful townie dies to him, then town loses yet another possible scum kill in the process. Vengeful townies only get to use the ability when lynched, so dying to grand would be a dumb move imo. If a vengeful townie is that deadset on possibly dying to get grand, then what's the difference if they are lynched and shoot grand themselves, rather than dying as the last vote? It creates the same result.

Fair point. However it gets done, I think Grand needs to go. Unless there is other information that comes out or someone slips.

[Voth]

Jesus what's with you guys reading every single and trying to formulate a slip out of it? Surprised none of you fuck fuck idiots has suggested that my role is mafia bookkeeper, since obviously my "slip" was a super serious post and there was no joking. Obviously enticing townies to participate in prop bets is part of my win condition and also not a joke, not sure how all you super sleuths missed that.

We have a guy who has been PMing people day 1 and can't even remember that he didn't publicly roleclaim. In this PM, he also incorrectly identifies who he was also PMing. Then this person comes out in the thread and said he has only been PMing 1 person, not 3 like was said in the thread. None of this is suspicious, but my joke and backwards statement about supersaints killing the "last townie to vote for them" (semantically not accurate, but for all intents and purposes it is completely accurate) are what is being overanalyzed in this thread. Explain how that makes sense to me, you bunch of fucking Nancy Drews

Just quoting my boy for posterity. Everyone should re-read paragraph 2.

[Exalt]

unvote something just seems strange to me about exalt wanting this to be a Vengeful vs Supersaint war. Worth pondering over, but not to put immediate suspicion just yet. after all he himself claimed a vengeful

vote field reasoning? post #258.

RoDNeY it would be appreciated to have a quicklink on the first page to each phase change. thanks

I dont necessarily think all Supersaint claims are scum (although that could change if multiple supersaints flip red), but I dont see why shooting grand over lynching him (and losing a townie in the process if he didnt lie) is a bad idea. It does take the vengeful person being lynched to agree to shoot them, which is pretty iffy as Downfall showed, but it works in theory. Everyone wants to lynch grand, but I'm not the one who will be voting last on him, and if a vengeful townie dies to him, then town loses yet another possible scum kill in the process. Vengeful townies only get to use the ability when lynched, so dying to grand would be a dumb move imo. If a vengeful townie is that deadset on possibly dying to get grand, then what's the difference if they are lynched and shoot grand themselves, rather than dying as the last vote? It creates the same result.

[ixt]

For the record, this is the post ixt is referencing. Probably best to quote it in the future.

You know, in the anticipation of the phase change and with Rodneys post right before it, I actually missed that. Nice catch. Last minute slide in on the bandwagon. Definitely worth pressing him on at the least.

field What was with the last minute bandwagon vote? Downfall was set to be lynched so you did not cast a decisive vote.

At this point, I'm still more convinced on Grand. But depending on how field responds, this could change.

but then the question is: Was Grand THAT stupid enough to put focus on himself if anti-town. If everyone is set to lynch him, then the answer would be yes. I for one feel a bit uneasy, but perhaps as previously said the play was made to get a gullible townie's trust lol.

[Voth]

The following post makes it clear that Downfall is NOT Vengeful Townie:



Yet a couple of pages later, Downfall lists himself as Vengeful Townie, first time he claims in thread:



Clear lie, and as far as I can tell, there's nothing better than this to go on this phase.
unvote: halp
vote: Downfall

For the record, this is the post ixt is referencing. Probably best to quote it in the future.

You know, in the anticipation of the phase change and with Rodneys post right before it, I actually missed that. Nice catch. Last minute slide in on the bandwagon. Definitely worth pressing him on at the least.

field What was with the last minute bandwagon vote? Downfall was set to be lynched so you did not cast a decisive vote.

At this point, I'm still more convinced on Grand. But depending on how field responds, this could change.

[ixt]

whoever cares to look into it, please reread #258. has he mysteriously just disappeared from everyone's sight?

[ixt]

unvote something just seems strange to me about exalt wanting this to be a Vengeful vs Supersaint war. Worth pondering over, but not to put immediate suspicion just yet. after all he himself claimed a vengeful

vote field reasoning? post #258.

RoDNeY it would be appreciated to have a quicklink on the first page to each phase change. thanks

[Voth]

I am going to go ahead and vote grand.

Literally nothing has changed from Day 1 except that we have two dead townies because for some real people thought it was a good idea to lynch the very first bandwagon of the game.

However, since then, Grand has shown up, voted
me for the second day in a row on revenge principle alone, and disappeared again. He has lied and been inconsistent all game. Make sure that you all trust his "instinct" after the nonsense he has pulled all game.

I have my suspicions with Kthx but they are just that - suspicion - and not enough to warrant a vote right now as far as I'm concerned. It was interesting to see who
hopped on the bandwagon after Exalt's vote though.

Halp is beyond useless but it seems like a waste to
lynch him because it would be a policy lynch alone and tell us nothing.

Willby has been lurking more than usual and not being very helpful in regards to scum hunting - could definitely be scum.

So far, Exalt, Backwards, and ixt appear town-aligned to me.

[ffe]

Ffe is town 100%.

i have decided that the game is vengeful townie vs super saints. I will be down to test this theory by being last person to vote on a supersaint. Make the decision people

Unvote kthx

[ixt]

something seems off to me but im going to wait to see if these thoughts are leading me in the right direction...especially if kthx is flipped and appears green