Mafia 2020 #3: 14 Stories Above the Sea

[ixt]

I like the input, but you have to take into account it was a mafia ROLEBLOCKER flipped. Your suspicions would be more realistic had it been a normal goon or whatnot. Don’t think there would be much sense if exalt was mafia to make this kind of play, and backwards wasn’t nearly one of the least active at the time.

[PartyFalcon]

Well, I’ll give my unadulterated observations in that case, not encumbered by two decades of knowing you people (with the exception of sdrawkcab and anyone else on here whom I’ve kown for 2 decades):

I thought it kinda looked suspicious how the vote moved right before the phase change/lynching of sdrawkcab at end of D1. I bring it up since I had the benefit of hindsight when I read it (subbing in post-flip of both sdrawkcab and Jessup). It looked suspiciously like a coordinated bussing of sdrawkcab by exalt and voth, with voth’s vote change coming ONE MINUTE after exalt posts the first fate-shifting-vote for sdrawkcab. Voth even asks, “...but is there time?” I dont know who exalt and voth are irl to know if I’ve played with them before or how experienced they are, but this reeks of one of sdrawkcab’s favorite classics: bus a known scum and build credibility as the superest townie.

So, I guess perhaps I do think exalt and voth may be scum and may have done exactly what they keep posting saying would be SO DUMB for scum to have possibly done which is to bus their own roleblocker to save other scum—something they would never do! If exalt is another scum power role, it makes sense from a rational perspective—if exalt isn’t known for playing rationally (or playing towards win condition at all times) then makes sense even if exalt’s just a goon and wanted to make a good play or was concerned about a double-lynch.

Equally important to keep in mind though is that us townies don’t know who each other are—but the mafia know who each other are and are coordinating separately right now. ***This means that the only people who knew it was a good idea to lynch sdrawkcab were THE OTHER SCUM. Every townie was in the same un-knowing boat, and yet exalt, voth, and the_paul acted swiftly and without hesitation to change the vote to lynch on to sdrawkcab — it seemed a bit coordinated.

I would normally feel more hesitant to say these suspicions so baldly out of deference to the possibility that exalt is a daytime cop who got a read on sdrawkcab then changed the vote (it would be unwise for me to Out a town power role like that), but exalt has already fully role claimed a *different* town investigative power role that is highly specific and would not have allowed exalt to have advanced knowledge about sdrawkcab at that point (since there had not yet been two flips to activate the alleged role). This likewise means that when voth switched votes—following exalt’s lead only 1 minute after exalt—there’s no reason voth should have known that was the right move, unless voth was scum-buddies with sdrawkcab... or is voth supposed to be a day cop too now?? I just don’t see why people (eg kthx, but also themselves) keep saying that exalt and voth practically confirmed town now... excuse me?

Lastly, I’ll just note to take a look at Jessup’s behavior. Jessup was third party, our first confirmed non-mafia flip (ie loner like each of us townies in terms of needing to discern who each other are). Jessup found exalt’s behavior suspect and went kinda HAM at points. Exalt didn’t like that. But Jessup definitely wasn’t expressing sureness about who was good nor bad at any point—because they didn’t know. Given, Jessup didn’t care either because they won alone as a third party. But, the point stands. Then, Jessup’s dead. Seems like perhaps either exalt is a noob scum with voth and they bussed sdrawkcab for cred which they’re now trying to claim, then they night killed Jessup as the strongest persistent voice against exalt.

I also wouldn’t normally air these kinds of accusations so quickly, since this type of behavior typically attracts unwanted attention from the scum, but it seems like we may have some newbies here and I want to make sure we’re providing a good forum for people to hash out their suspicions and have a healthy dialogue. Also, yes, I am throwing some shade, but it’s mostly because I want to air my suspicions and hear what other people’s insights are—does anyone have any thoughts? I missed a lot of the je ne sais quoi that comes through when playing real-time close to a flip, so I’m working with the record the best I can, but it’s not ideal! Have some sympathy for the sub ?\_(ツ)_/?

(this post was from my phone, therefore please don’t waste your own time reading into any typos or idiosyncrasies. I’ll double-check it tomorrow on my laptop in case it needs addenda, and I can drop in cites to posts/quotes for y’all to see what I’m referring to in each of my beefs, so you can judge for yourself and/or respond if I’m scrutinizing you)

tl;dr I currently think at least exalt and voth seem scummy based off their D1 playing, especially lunching sdrawkcab, and I am interested to hear what other people think.

[Edify]

Welcome, LegalEagle!

[kthx]

Hey I like this new guy, he isn't a dipshit. But some advice, you can't always lynch based on facts and evidence. Sometimes you have to go off a gut feeling or notice discrepancies in this game. It's easier to do once for some of us who have known some of these guys for near two decades so you are at a big disadvantage unfortunately.Welcome to the forums by the way.

[PartyFalcon]

Eeey! Dudes and dolls, lawyer in real life and things have been a bit more hectic than i'd like in the last 36 hours but hopefully will be smooth sailing now (haha get it maritime pun such palatable vanilla flavor wow). After catching up on 27 pages of shit-flinging i'm here and ready to pontificate wildly and comb through old posts alongside my fellow townies. Unless i'm missing something we don't have a whole ton to go off of yet, not nothing for sure but i didn't see anything dispositive. Depending on your vantage point, really hard to tell what the balance of powers is at the moment, yet i remain cautiously optimistic.

Everybody got acquainted with one another Day 1 so here's what partyfalcon's about (to save us all some time bickering about who i am or what my playing style may or may not be): just take it slow, otherwise you're doing scum a favor, honor your commitments, never role claim before necessary, kill all liars, inductive reasoning (show your work), make a record, be precise, leave clues to help other people on your team find you, eyes on your win condition.

Now that we're stuck together here, out at sea dying consecutively on this big terrifying vessel, really all we can do is try to ferret out information and sort through it all as it accrues. Easier said than done, so we all know. Unless you have something concrete and actionable to report, let me caution you to try to disseminate the information without giving any explicit or overt claim. Think creatively about it; something you can point to later, yknow?

Everyone on board? Thanks ill be here all trip.

[Edify]

Eddy has to be twin with an oscar performance such as this, it hurt me a bit.

I know, right? There should be some forum superlatives awarded after this game.

I'll get the posthumous award of "Tryhard Townie"

[ixt]

*target me during night phase

[ixt]

I played mafia on sites like mafiascum in the past and did well enough, but it was always missing something that only TW forums could provide. The above quote is a perfect example of that quality that keeps me coming back.

Also, I dont really like Edify trying to direct where I should investigate. If I die tonight, then lynch ixt. Easy money there. If he's actually a Bodyguard, then he's probably next to die instead, so it's a waste of an investigation.

Also, my first read on Edify when I was about to be lynched and gave a list matches what Voth reads now. Edify is almost too townie to be town. It's a hard read to quantify, but it doesnt seem natural to me. Not sure how to explain it better than that. I'd have no problems voting there. He may be an investigation target otherwise.

this is what im trying to convey, its a psychological competition with the remaining mafia. either they try to tack blame on me and push me during day phase, or target me to ensure a protective role is out of the picture. I don't believe they would do the latter as i am a so-called "low-hanging fruit" and they would have more value trying to push me during day to target more threats to them. Thats why i can openly claim knowing that a third party and mafia member are already dead.

[Beast]

Eddy has to be twin with an oscar performance such as this, it hurt me a bit.

[Edify]

Also, I dont really like Edify trying to direct where I should investigate.

??? Aren't we supposed to work together? I'm pretty sure this is how it works. I made an idea suggestion, not a command. If you don't want to take it, that's fine by me.

Lynching me is going to be a complete waste of time unless it exposes mafia to come out of the woodworks. If it does, I'm all for it (but there's no way to know that).

Perhaps I am being too active and that makes me a target. Well, sue me. I wandered back onto these forums after being MIA for 8 years because I had too much idle time.

[kthx]

Might be fairly inactive tomorrow, my families Easter is tomorrow (Eastern Orthodox) sorry ahead of time. Made some bomb ass tzatziki sauce though

[Exalt]

If Beast is scum this game, I legitimately pity his team to the depth of my soul. Disbelief doesn't begin to describe it.

I played mafia on sites like mafiascum in the past and did well enough, but it was always missing something that only TW forums could provide. The above quote is a perfect example of that quality that keeps me coming back.

Also, I dont really like Edify trying to direct where I should investigate. If I die tonight, then lynch ixt. Easy money there. If he's actually a Bodyguard, then he's probably next to die instead, so it's a waste of an investigation.

Also, my first read on Edify when I was about to be lynched and gave a list matches what Voth reads now. Edify is almost too townie to be town. It's a hard read to quantify, but it doesnt seem natural to me. Not sure how to explain it better than that. I'd have no problems voting there. He may be an investigation target otherwise.

[Edify]

Hahaha

[Voth]

If Beast is scum this game, I legitimately pity his team to the depth of my soul. Disbelief doesn't begin to describe it.

[Beast]

Eddy,exalt,voth all have this perverse twisted mentality