Canadian Youth Taught Hate for America

[Richard Creager]

Who gives a fuck what Canada or anyone thinks of America.
If we're so bad come do something about it, and watch where it lands you. A problem will be solved there, once and for all, that's for goddamn sure.

[Awesome]

Who gives a fuck what Canada or anyone thinks of America.
If we're so bad come do something about it, and watch where it lands you. A problem will be solved there, once and for all, that's for goddamn sure.

that's probably the dumbest god damn thing you've ever said, and that's quite the accomplisment considering how many completely ridiculous things you've said.

and for the record, canadian youth isn't taught hatred for america... it's pretty much acquired from seeing dumbasses like dick creager posting bullshit superiority crap like that. remember the last nation to think so highly of themselves? i believe it was the nazi's and look how much you guys hate them

[FatherG]

Every country has it's day as top dog. England had their day, Spain had their day, hell even Iraq (Babylon anyone?) had their day. The difference is how each country acts when they're "top dog". England went apeshit and tried to take over the world, same with Spain and Iraq. The US "stole" most of North America from the Native Americans, which as far as I can tell is the worst thing we've done. For the most part the US has been pretty passive considering the amount of power it holds. No other country in history as been as laid back, with as much sheer weight behind their words.

Before you start to bash the US, Canada, whatever country just think about that little fact.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Jerome> ?country Erathia
country: Canada


speaks for itself, canada = hate and malice

[Nethila]

Every country has it's day as top dog. England had their day, Spain had their day, hell even Iraq (Babylon anyone?) had their day. The difference is how each country acts when they're "top dog". England went apeshit and tried to take over the world, same with Spain and Iraq. The US "stole" most of North America from the Native Americans, which as far as I can tell is the worst thing we've done. For the most part the US has been pretty passive considering the amount of power it holds. No other country in history as been as laid back, with as much sheer weight behind their words.

Before you start to bash the US, Canada, whatever country just think about that little fact.

that's because there is such thing called UN now.
Passive? Lets see, attacking Iraq 2 times, Afghanistan 1 time, threatening to attack Korea once, constantly pressuring other countries to destroy/or stop making nuclear weapons while possessing most in the world itself, constantly complaining other countries that are selling weapons (planes, tanks, etc) are promoting wars, while US are selling weapons to other country all the time. Calling other people terrorists while self killing thousands of civiliance. Gee, passive huh.

[CrvenBan]

The US "stole" most of North America from the Native Americans, which as far as I can tell is the worst thing we've done. For the most part the US has been pretty passive considering the amount of power it holds. No other country in history as been as laid back, with as much sheer weight behind their words.

Before you start to bash the US, Canada, whatever country just think about that little fact.

You gotta be kidding me ?

How do you think that amount of power was aquired ? And in what ways ? By using your own natural resources ?
You're so naive if you think that, and brainwashed too, which was the goal of your goverment, or any other for that matter.
US involment in Middle East ? To save who and how ? They only caused shit there playing to their own interests. With total life of the nation being slightly over 200 years, how can you even possibly try to understand civilisations that existed 10.000 years ago ?
Vietnam ? Do I even have to go into that ?
Who armed Osama and his terrorists while they were fighting Russia ?
Your own president was deeply involved with Saudi sheiks, no ?
Just look at the time during cold war, and how US did not act like "laid back world force" but only acted to their own needs.
Yugoslavia in 70s and 80s, there are documents that show US telling to Russia that they would risk even a nuclear war for that lil country in Balkans. Why ? Because that country and it's president were defying the oh so great Mother Russia which perfectly played into US hands. 10 years later in the same country 1 mil of innocent people are victims of genocide, about 50.000 women brutally raped, over 20.000 of those even killed. INNOCENT. WOMEN. CHILDREN. No interest for US there so they did nothing, just watched the slaughter of some little people with the rest of the world. But when time came for innocent people to pay back, the oh so mighy US stepped in looking at the consequences that would arise and said: wait a minute now, you can't do that. So much for being "laid back".


Hicks said it best:
-Iraq, great weapons. Amazing weapons.
-How do you know ?
-We...umm...looked at the receit.


-He [Clinton] launched 22 cruise missiles againt Baghdad in retaliation for the alleged assassination attempt againt George Bush [sr.] which failed. We killed 6 innocent people launching 22, I think, 3 mil dollars a piece missiles on Baghdad killing 6 innocent people. Umm, I think that's a little bit overdoing it, if you ask me. You know what we should have done, we should have embarrassed Iraqis. You know what I mean ? Here's how we could do it: WE should have assassinated Bush, and said: that's how you do it towelheads, don't fuck with us. And see, if there was Bush who died, there would be no loss of innocent life.


Open your eyes people.

[FatherG]

Ok Neth, I'll bite.

Since you went ahead and quoted my post, you should have read where I put very clearly "For the most part the US has been pretty passive considering the amount of power it holds". Key words here: for the most part. Compare what the US has done in it's existance as a country to another country. Lets use England as an example. Attacked France and several other countries, several times. Subjugated several indigenous peoples making them "colonies". As I said before, tried to take over the world (the US hasn't done this yet, unless you count culture). Shall I go on?
Yes the US has used nuclear weapons, but you have to think about time. Throughout history there has always been at least one "super weapon". Let it be archers, siege weapons, better armor, or in modern times, nuclear weapons. In a couple hundred years people will be protesting for bans on neutron weapons and anti-matter bombs.
When you take a step back and look at the greater picture, taking into account advances in technology, langauge, medicine, etc what the US is doing today is nothing compared to the past. But of course you don't care, because Bush is an idiot.
The point I'm getting at it this; it is just plain foolish to demonize a country, any country as being run by evil people, made up of ignorant citizens or whatever insult you can come up with. Not every American thinks all Muslums are bad, not every Canadian thinks Americans are idiots, and not ever Iraqi thinks Americans are the great satan. The generalizing of a country, of anything is just plain stupid. Every country in the history of the world has used backhanded tactics and litigation to further their cause, while trying to fuck over the rest of the world/their partners. This is nothing new.

Or I could put it much more simply as this: the middle east is still there. China is still there. If the US was as bad as you're making it out to sound, they would just be parking lots for a new walmart. If you live in the US and don't like the way things are being run; vote or run for office if you're old enough. If you choose not to, then you are as just a big a problem as the people in the military selling weapons and have no right to complain or chastize what is going on because you chose not to use your right to affect change.

Btw, the UN isn't shit without the US. Who do you think pays most of their bills, supplies most of the military they use? It damn sure isn't Sweden (no offense).

[FatherG]

First off, I love how both of you are pretty much ignoring what I've said beyond what you want to hear. Why think about things rationally when you can just froth at the mouth and go full tilt US bashing.
Beyond that I'm not even going to bother replying to what you've written. I got to the word "towelheads" and knew no matter what I say it would be akin to talking to a brick wall.

Have fun with your pseudo-political debate people. I'm off for a day with the g/f.

[Awesome]

If you live in the US and don't like the way things are being run; vote or run for office if you're old enough. If you choose not to, then you are as just a big a problem as the people in the military selling weapons and have no right to complain or chastize what is going on because you chose not to use your right to affect change.

you may wanna reconsider this section of bullshit. you're basically saying people have to give up their entire life to TRY to become the president of the united states (because anything less than that will hold no power in turning around their entire country) if they dont like the way the country is being run.

and lets face it, no american will ever vote for someone who wants to set the country straight, they'll vote for whoever scares them the most into thinking "if you dont vote for bush (or someone like him) you will be in danger of being attacked by terrorists."

[Akuun]

First of all, I don't care or really believe what the news says anymore because if you read between the lines, there's always some view they're trying to turn you to. My views of the US isn't because the news 'taught' me, it's simply what I think of it.

I'm gonna try not to be stereotypical about this. I'm not saying that every american is some moron who thinks that the size of their country's army is proof of American superiority over all other countries and races, even though people like Dick over there certainly give a whole bunch of Americans a bad name. I acknowledge that there are Americans that are sensible people, and just because they're sensible doesn't mean that they all think the same thing. Some honestly believe the current war is wrong, and some honestly believe it's the right thing to do. Just like everyone else in the world. Personally, I think it's done for the wrong reasons though.

For example, a good while back the US government first mentioned all the injustices in Afganistan by the Taliban as part of the justification for their attacks there. What they chose to ignore is that this stuff has been going on for years and years, and until then the US had conveniently ignored it. Then, when they needed reasons to attack besides "we believe Bin Laden is here", they conveniently picked up that fact about the Taliban and started acting all righteous. It's that attitude that I hate.

It's probably that attitude that's pissed off a lot of people. With annoying, cliched buzzwords like "freedom" and "terrorism" being thrown around as justification, the US is acting like the police force of the world, and a good chunk of the population of a lot of countries disapprove of this, including a good chunk of Americans.

So yeah, it's the attitude that I really hate. I don't hate the US, but I hate the general attitude that's being used to justify its actions, and I disagree with the war in Iraq, even though I acknowledge that SOME good might come out of it. And I think that a lot of people, including Americans, would agree with me and just as many would disagree. But it's my opinion.

[Fallen Angel]

I always wonder why threads like this result in a comparion between nations on past accomplishments, virtues and sins. Who fucking cares? Finger pointing is such an incredibly childish waste of time. "Your country colonized half the globe a century ago, so you're no saints either." No shit Sherlock. The thing you should be worried about is, that although you seem to know the history of the world, you don't seem to be learning from it as much as you probably should.

[ZeUs!!]

This whole argument is flawed due to the fact that ignite ignite for some reason believe's that the American media is completely impartial and unbiased. NO FUCKING WAY. It is probably the most controlled, biased and vested media in the entire world, bar none

[andrewabcd]

A poll taken in Canada found that 40 percent of teenagers there thought America was a force for evil in the world. The number rose to 64 percent among French-Canadian teenagers. The Canadian media and the Canadian education system is now skewing their reportage about America so that all of these children, millions of Canadian children, feel that we are an evil force in the world. They're not providing perspective to the children up there and I believe I'm absolutely correct.

That poll is probably BS.

So it's not black and white. America is not the bad guy in Iraq. It might have been a mistake, but we're not the bad guy, and we are being portrayed in your country as such.

America Screwed up. They invaded a country for oil, not to "free" Iraqis. America didn't like Iraq, and Bush had a personal vendetta against Saddam for trying to kill his father. If they were to invade Iraq it should have been during the Desert Storm operation.

In America we have a balanced media and in Canada you guys dont. We have been tough on Canada because Canada, Chretien particularly, has been brutal on us. All this stat said to me was that the Canadian media and the Canadian education system is not giving the U.S.A. a fair shake.

The media has obviously brainwashed you.
Just because Chretien didn't love America as much as Mulroney, you say he is tough? So if a country doesn't want to do things exactly like America, they are being tough?

Yah, tell that to the BS mad cow import ban on live cattle, when mad cow was found in the US also, and then the American slaughter houses take all the profit when Canadians go and buy more beef at the same price as before mad cow. (But Canadian farmers get less money for their cattle, so that means profit for American companies.) And then there was the softwood lumber bullshit. And Potato Wart (Even though the US has several diseases that Canada does not, we do not ban importing potatoes from America.)

Canada is being fair, US is not. America does what it wants and if others don't conform, they get shit on.

And don't you forget it! :light:

I'm guessing in America they teach that the all powerful USA took on both Japan and Germany by themselves. The rest of the world sat back and did nothing.

[Sarien]

Bush played on the fear Americans had after 9/11/2001. It's just as simple as that. He wanted to invade iraq, he wanted to finish outting the man, and he lied and misconstrued reasons and spun shit in order to get support from American citizens. He might be my president, but I'd like to punch him in his weasely fucking face. I didn't vote for him, and I won't vote for him this time either.

If Canadian "youth" whatever that is.. sees America as a force of evil, maybe it's not so much brainwashing as well.. the truth. Guarantee you if the same question were asked 5 or 6 years ago, it wouldn't have been nearly the same reply.

The problem most Americans seem to honestly have is that they think it's "patriotism" to stand up for their country, even when they KNOW that the shit their country and their (current) president has done is WRONG. It's not patriotism, it's being blind.

[Nethila]

Ok Neth, I'll bite.

Since you went ahead and quoted my post, you should have read where I put very clearly "For the most part the US has been pretty passive considering the amount of power it holds". Key words here: for the most part. Compare what the US has done in it's existance as a country to another country. Lets use England as an example. Attacked France and several other countries, several times. Subjugated several indigenous peoples making them "colonies". As I said before, tried to take over the world (the US hasn't done this yet, unless you count culture). Shall I go on?
Yes the US has used nuclear weapons, but you have to think about time. Throughout history there has always been at least one "super weapon". Let it be archers, siege weapons, better armor, or in modern times, nuclear weapons. In a couple hundred years people will be protesting for bans on neutron weapons and anti-matter bombs.
When you take a step back and look at the greater picture, taking into account advances in technology, langauge, medicine, etc what the US is doing today is nothing compared to the past. But of course you don't care, because Bush is an idiot.
The point I'm getting at it this; it is just plain foolish to demonize a country, any country as being run by evil people, made up of ignorant citizens or whatever insult you can come up with. Not every American thinks all Muslums are bad, not every Canadian thinks Americans are idiots, and not ever Iraqi thinks Americans are the great satan. The generalizing of a country, of anything is just plain stupid. Every country in the history of the world has used backhanded tactics and litigation to further their cause, while trying to fuck over the rest of the world/their partners. This is nothing new.

Or I could put it much more simply as this: the middle east is still there. China is still there. If the US was as bad as you're making it out to sound, they would just be parking lots for a new walmart. If you live in the US and don't like the way things are being run; vote or run for office if you're old enough. If you choose not to, then you are as just a big a problem as the people in the military selling weapons and have no right to complain or chastize what is going on because you chose not to use your right to affect change.

Btw, the UN isn't shit without the US. Who do you think pays most of their bills, supplies most of the military they use? It damn sure isn't Sweden (no offense).

dude, British attacked France, and how LONG ago was that? Your examples are completely useless. Stop using old historys. True, they did happen, but they happened at a time where there is no international laws.

Every country in the history of the world has used backhanded tactics and litigation to further their cause, while trying to fuck over the rest of the world/their partners. This is nothing new.

Every country? Go learn some real history before you make those statements.

If you live in the US and don't like the way things are being run; vote or run for office if you're old enough. If you choose not to, then you are as just a big a problem as the people in the military selling weapons and have no right to complain or chastize what is going on because you chose not to use your right to affect change.

Frankly, I don't live in US. Therefore you just stated a whole useless paragraph to me. Think/do a bit reseach before you talk. Know who you are talking to.