America's fucked.

[za gophar]

didnt the huge bush tax cuts (30 percent of which went to the top 1% of the income bracket) make a little dent in the budget?

[bloodzombie]

The idea was that it would stimulate the economy, and maybe it has somewhat, I'm no expert, but it also costs our government an average of over 200 billion per year in an already-unbalanced budget.

Eventually someone will need to pay for this, I guess republicans don't care, as long as they're rich right now.

[Galleleo]

So you saying that Kerry can prevent terrorisme? No one can prevent terrorisme.. certainly not in America, where you can buy everything you need for a bomb right in the store. I am not saying Bush is good, but I dont think kerry is much better tho I dont know everything about this, I just think america is fucked either way.

[bloodzombie]

So you saying that Kerry can prevent terrorisme? No one can prevent terrorisme.. certainly not in America, where you can buy everything you need for a bomb right in the store. I am not saying Bush is good, but I dont think kerry is much better tho I dont know everything about this, I just think america is fucked either way.

who said kerry could prevent terrorism? are you just making that up, or did I miss something?

I certainly think he deserves a shot... what has Bush done? He likes to talk about how he created the department of homeland security, which is good.. but wait, wasn't that originally written by a democrat and vehemently opposed by Bush? Then didn't he threaten to veto it if it didn't strip the 170,000 prospective employees of their rights to collective bargaining and civil protection?

Yeah, I think that's what happened.

Then Didn't Bush also oppose the 911 commission investigation that was designed to find the flaws in our system to make it better? Yeah, that's right, he fought it until the families of those who died put so much pressure on him that he just couldn't deny it anymore, and then he talked about how important it was while trying his damndest to limit their abilities to find out what went on in the whitehouse.

But I'm sure he has our best interest in mind.

[wadi]

The idea was that it would stimulate the economy, and maybe it has somewhat, I'm no expert, but it also costs our government an average of over 200 billion per year in an already-unbalanced budget.

Eventually someone will need to pay for this, I guess republicans don't care, as long as they're rich right now.

There's an article I'll try to dig up where 12 nobel prize winning economists say Bush's tax cut was complete horseshit as far as economic stimulus is concerned. Or something along those lines

Edit: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34532

Search for nobel, although the rest of it is worth a read too.

[bloodzombie]

I read somewhere that bush is maybe the only leader to give tax cuts in war time. I don't really know if that's true, but the point is, general concensus is that it's a pretty dumb thing to do.

[Galleleo]

George Bush does not keep anyone safe from fucking Terrorists.

Wich when i read the post (thats the way I saw it) is saying Kerry can, you can ofcourse see this an other way. And like I said I am not pro-bush, but I am not pro-kerry either, I dont live in america and I dont give a fuck about who is gonna be elected or not, I think either way not only america but also most of the world is fucked. Atleast if they both do what they are saying.

I just think the whole 2 party system is fucked up, i think we have it way better here in the Netherlands, we have alot more parties who all have an equal shot to become the biggest, anyone can start a party (ofcourse there are rules and stuff) But its not always between the 2 biggest, most of the times yes. But next to that, the biggest party doesnt get to rule alone, unless they get over 50% of the votes wich never happens, so they need other parties to reach that 51%.

[Epinephrine]

no, he made a postive balance on the budget for the year, but he counted interest from the social security and medicare, which is supposed to be locked away. without this interest he barely broke even. Better than bush, but bush hasn't had the best of luck. A reccession due to the sept 9/11 attacks hurt the top end taxes that clinton was able to collect. When businesses do well, so does the budget. CLinton never made a dent in the decifit. The deficit goes back past the 80s. Do a little research and find out for yourself.

Projections from the GAO at the end of Clinton's tenure predicted that social security and medicare would be safe until at least 2042. Since the Bush tax cuts that number has been revised to around 2011-2012.

This year there will be a projected $466 billion deficit in the US government, the largest in history (with last year being the 2nd largest in history at around $350 billion). Most of this can be attributed to the war in Iraq (a war which the United States voluntarily went into, and more specifically the Bush administration voluntarily went into, unlike say Afghanistan where any president would have went in) and to the tax cuts which so far have failed to truly help the economy.

The Bush tax cuts have disproportionally helped the top 1% of earners in the US population, and have done little to stimulate the economy. Under Bush, America has suffered the most cumulative job losses ever since the Great Depression, and has had the slowest job recovery after any recession on recorded history. In fact while the GDP has grown in the last two years, job growth has barely been able to keep up with population growth, and meanwhile those who are on temporary jobs have skyrocketed, those who have given up looking for jobs have skyrocketed and wages have not really risen in the last few years at all. All in all abysmal economic performance.

Why else would the Republicans basically gloss over the economy (with the exception of the one-liner of Arn-hold calling democrats economic 'girly men') in their convention and solely focus on terrorism?

And about that deficit. Do you know who's basically funding the US government right now? Japan and China. They're basically buying up all of the US government's debt right now. Basically China is keeping America afloat. Do you know what that means? Basically anything the US will say about China, China can just ignore because they know if they stop buying up US debt America is in BIG trouble.

-Epi

[Selex]

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[Sarien]

Wich when i read the post (thats the way I saw it) is saying Kerry can, you can ofcourse see this an other way.

Gall, the reason I said it exactly the way I did, is because a major sticking point of people that seem to want to vote for Bush is exactly this:

"I'm going to vote for Bush because only he can protect us fromt he terrorists."

And that's simple nonsense. Bush doesn't protect any one, any where, or any thing. He sits in his office and the first time someone smells a strong fart they whisk him off to some "undisclosed location".

My point was through the anger and headache filled writing was that there is more than one way to deal with the sorts of criminals. Is a person that seems to be really able to leverage world anger going to be as effective as someone that seems to want to co-operate with the governments of the world?

[Bob (SRB)]

As bad as Bush is, terrorists are worse. They don't care who is in office (though I'm sure what Bush has been doing is just provoking them even more to attack), I'm so glad I don't live in a country where people would be stupid enough to elect that madman twice. I suspect terrorists and Bush will fuck up America pretty badly in the next 4 years.

[pv=nrt]

kerry will punish my income with more taxes, why would i want that?
i don't agree with kerrys medicare or social reforms
I don't like how kerry at his innaguration said let's not have any negative ads, but throughout the whole primary process he bashed bush for 6 months straight. That's not very fair now is it.

Also, even if i was to vote for kerry, i wouldn't due to the classless actions of protesters. People who are rude enough to interupt the convention speeches by sneaking in, or even trying to attack the VP. Sad behavior that would make me sad to be part of a party that did that.

defense wise-they are a toss up. Kerry is the first demo in a while to actually want to help the military instead of dismantle it

economics-my lifestyle has improved of the last 4 years. has yours?

social reforms-i am conservative

enviromental-i know you all freak out about all the changes bush has made to the enviromental acts, but the ones i have seen aren't much of anyhting. With a deadline 10 years away, it's not like you will see a company change until the last year anyway.

does this help you out sarien?

The US would also be in much better shape deficit wise if we didn't help so many other nations with donations, and if we wouldn't forgive the debts to 3rd world countries. This is bad business.

[Epinephrine]

The US would also be in much better shape deficit wise if we didn't help so many other nations with donations, and if we wouldn't forgive the debts to 3rd world countries. This is bad business.

The US gives what? $10-15 billion a year in aid. Forgiving debt? That's so small and trivial it means nothing compared to a $466 billion deficit created by the Bush presidency.

-Epi

[bloodzombie]

enviromental-i know you all freak out about all the changes bush has made to the enviromental acts, but the ones i have seen aren't much of anyhting. With a deadline 10 years away, it's not like you will see a company change until the last year anyway.
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are you fucking insane? he's the worst environmental president in history. If you don't see anything, you're seriously trying not to.

And yes, my lifestyle has improved in the past 4 years, but it has nothing to do with Bush. If you make a lot more than 200k per year, then you might feel kerry's taxes, otherwise, you're better off voting for kerry.

Did kerry interrupt the convention? I'm pretty sure he didn't, that's just a retarded reason.

[Liquid Blue]

Someone's just grasping for straws.