Champions Leage 2004/2005

[DOTSY]

Ajax wil win, PSV will lose.. the end.

gall when u wrote that, Ajax already lost

[RogerMexico]

I'm not too fresh on Ajax's team, so I can't argue with much you've said there. I am curious why you left out van der Vaart, though.

As to them holding onto players, sure, easier said than done. Just saying that they're not going to win European glory with the world's greatest youth system. And with respect to PSV, give some credit. They scored 20 goals in their first 5 league games, and they fought Arsenal tooth and nail at Highbury. They may have lost their two best players in the offseason, but it's still a good squad. And yes, the Premiership plays too many games, and the FA/FIFA is working on that (but Wenger is a jackass if he thinks the league is going to reduce the top flight to 16 teams). They need a December break. It hurts the top English clubs in the Champions League, but I think the effect on national teams is worse for the players involved. On paper, England is pretty short of excuses when it comes to success, and you have to start pointing fingers back at the league structure.

Also, I wasn't saying Rosenborg were easy. Any club in the Champions League is there for a reason, and there aren't any free wins. Just making the point that though they put up a fight, they're an easier bunch than Bayern. That's all. As for Man U., of course they're better with Rooney in the side. He's great. But you said "Manchester United is very strong now that Rooney is back," which I read wrong, especially since it was his first game for the team (but I guess you meant "back from injury"). Man. U had been struggling the entire time Rio was gone, and on the day of his return, against Liverpool, the team suddenly looked like a collection of badasses again (and against a quality side). You have to give credit where credit is due: Rio is the man behind any renaissance taking place in that team. Rooney will help the strikeforce -- probably a lot -- but you couldn't have been too worried about that department with Saha and Smith waiting on the bench (not to mention Scholes, if you want to push him up). Good player, but the radical changes needed to be made in back, and sadly that included getting rid of my boy Howard who, bless his heart, sure fucked his chance up good and proper.

[SEAL]

Do you know the definition of skill?
you probably get a bit blinded by your love of ajax, but thrust me, ajax does NOT HAVE the skill to beat them. bayern and juve HAVE the skill to beat ajax.

Compare it will subspace, elim: ajax spawns. sometimes they luckely kill someone, but that does not mean you got skill. And why am i flaming you? it's cause after the lucky spawn you would write 'ez', or in this way, you got owned 4-0 by bayern, it was "luck". So ajax weren't playing as a team, midfield was weak, counterattack was slow, etc... so you mean SKILLWISE they failed?

unless you define "skill" as "could, if everything went well and bayern/juve had a bad day". yeah...ughm.. in theory FC-10th-division could win of real madrid.

Just give it a rest and look at it objectively: dutch teams do NOT have the SKILL to compete in europe. Yes, that includes PSV.

SEAL/PSV

ps. you're right about not underestimating Rosenburg. But i do think psv has the skill to beat them. Go Sjonny de Jong (he will be good this year, watch my words)

[SEAL]

roger, you're right. psv isn't doing that bad at all in the CL (for a team in such a sucky competition that is..). They've been unlucky some times in the last years were ajax just brutely got kicked out. Apart from ajax's lucky season 2 years ago (dont tell me they won skillwise gall., they won 2 games by pure luck). It's just a ajax supporter won't compliment a psv fan or feyenoord fan quickly and got that golden feather stuck so deep up their ass they still think they got the team of '95.

[Galleleo]

No you need to define skillwise. Ajax does have the skill, they just dont play as a team, and playing as a team is very important, They sucked against bayern, I am not calling it luck bayern played as a team. You are very underestimating ajax if you think that skillwise they cant be top in europe. They have the best players in the Dutch comepetition. They do however have one of the suckiest teams in the dutch competition, becuase they arent playing as a team, they are not feeling each other, I have seen too many times that one makes an action and the other one just doesnt understand and they lose the ball. If they can learn to play as a team, feeling each other. They can stand up to Juventus and Bayern Munchen, And seriously Seal, you are saying psv had bad luck while Ajax just got kicked out, but they had 1 lucky season. That season they did play as a team, and they did win against good teams. That loss vs AC Milan in the quarter finals, that was bad luck, that final Goal in the last minute. Chivu slipped, Inzaghi used dangoures (sp?) play his leg was up way to high. And from that they scored. You are telling me to be less biased towards PSV while you are being as biased as fuck against Ajax.

I left out van der Vaart because he as been crap lately, sneijder has being doing much better. I also think Sneijder would be a better captain, he is always giving directions etc, while van der Vaart doesnt really. I also think van der Vaart is pretty lazy, mostly you will just see him hanging around in front instead of making an effort to defend too. Sure van der Vaart rocked his first season he was brilliant, but that was then and this is now.

[ajaxee]

SEal you bastage! i thought you died in a hurricane or somthing, send me an email, im coming to party.

[NaiLed]

arsenal won't go very far in CL

[SEAL]

ajaxee!!! i did send you an email with pictures man! (and yes, they are all pink inside ) perhaps check ya spam box since i send it to quite alot ppl and hotmail does not like that, otherwise let me know and ill send ti again. and you're welcome to party!

and gall. forget it, we are never gonna get thrue with this. ajax did SO good, with winning zero games in the second group stage, all skill. And so unlucky against ac-milan, they so owned them whole match, just that last second goal... the match before acmilan they didn't get lucky at all, no sir. You got potentional mixed up with skill. Whatever.

edit: im losing my point.. my point is that ajax does not have, in general, the skill to really compete vs bayern or juve. ajax is simply not good enough. I'm not saying that they suck, they're in the CL for a reason after all.. and i wish them, as a psv'r, all the best in europe.

End of my ajax-discussion.

On a side note, rogermexoci, you got quite some football knowledge for an american.. sweet.

[Kim]

Not many italian team fans here

[Galleleo]

Still PSV sucks harder then Ajax, and you are forgetting the luck PSV has been having with their poules.

[Roxy]

Barca will win the CL this season. Arsenal is good but they always choke at some point.

[InCure.]

Football stinks?

[SEAL]

Still PSV sucks harder than Ajax, and you are forgetting the luck PSV has been having with their poules.

"still ajax does not have the skill to beat bayern or juve".. .. .. turning into a yes,no,yes,no,mommy! conversation. wasn't the argument that ajax had the skill to beat juve or bayern. not wether ajax is better than psv. Dont give the subject a twist now. But for your pleasure.. well my pleasure actually, ill get some statistics from 2000 till now how psv sucks more than ajax and how psv is so much more lucky than ajax..(laugh)

Considering you need 9 points to go thrue to the next stage, in theory:

2003, PSV had 10 points and didn't go thrue.. if you ask me, that's bad luck. played vs deportivo and finalist monaco. ajax settled for the bottom, as they will do this year.

2002, vs arsenal, dortmund, auxerre.. hard group. Ajax got thrue the second group by only winning one game.. talk about being lucky. nontheless they got thrue, and i supported ajax all the way. would have been sweet if they beat acmilan. We hold the record for the fastest goal against us in history (vs arsenal) BEAT THAT! was the biggest waste of my money but i did -accidently- got thrue security and met the arsenal team. henry is one tall ugly dude.

2001, nantes, galatasaray and lazio.. hard group. became 3rd.. 7 points.. it was one stupid game they fucked up.. lost it late in the game, if they played that as a draw they were thrue. Bad luck. where was ajax that season?

2000, psv became 3rd with 9 points. talk about bad luck. Played vs manutd with that great goal of kezman. where was ajax that season?

so, lucky with group stages eh? yeah right.
can we close the psv-ajax discussion now?

[Galleleo]

sure, but when Ajax settled for last you didnt care to mention the poule they were in. Stop telling me to not be biased and then go and be biased yourself.

[Mantra-Slider]

I think its funny that roger as american is owning you all. Keep it up mex!

Ima go with Barcelona myself. They have a great balanced team and are really cool to look at sometimes even more attractive than Arsenal..