Why isn't pot legalized already?

[Richard Creager]

Well by that, we'd better outlaw cars- someone might not be able to control her/himself with a car and drive too fast killing someone. Better outlaw guns, someone might not be able to control her/his anger and blow someone to pieces. Better outlaw fast-food- someone might not be able to control her/his overeating and suffer complications (heart attack?) from all the crap inside (oh yeah, and don't forget all the animal victims as well). Oh and of course these could be "accidents"/accidents like overdosing on drugs could be too... Better outlaw teenagers' ability to claim independence from their parents to save parents from being victim to potential heartbreak. Better outlaw skydiving and rock-climbing- someone might overdose the apparatus and plummet to her/his death leaving heartbroken friends/family/etc in the wake.

Nice post bloodzombie...er, Ha! Sheesh.

[PUNK rock]

Well by that, we'd better outlaw cars- someone might not be able to control her/himself with a car and drive too fast killing someone. Better outlaw guns, someone might not be able to control her/his anger and blow someone to pieces.

Please know what you're talking about before you talk about it.

Pot - Illegal to possess, not regulated by any gov't agency

Cars - Legal to possess, has its own gov't agency controling persons who drive (BMV)

It very often becomes more difficult to avoid overdosing when drugs are illegal

You can overdose on lots of things, regardless if they are legal or not. I don't think everyone reads the warning labels. Unknowingly mixing 2 legal drugs could have serious consequences. That's what the FDA is for...listen to them, they know what they're talking about, you on the other hand do not.

Regarding the rest of your post about things that are legal but not safe...no shit. Nothing is perfect, you can take LOTS of everyday household objects and turn them into injury causing items. Stairs are one of the top injury causers in the elderly, are you going to say that houses can only be 1 story?

[Send]

Not to sound old or anything, but if you legalize pot the first thing a lot of people will do will be to go "well legalize heroine now, and meth, etc etc"...

Your logic is flawed. You're saying that by legalizing one thing it inevitably leads to another thing being legalized. If a country has a death penalty, are you saying inevitably that everyones gonna go around killing eachother? (Hey they're killng people, let's do it ourselves!) Since homosexuals are allowed to marry, should brothers and sisters be allowed to marry eachother? The drugs you listed only have side affects, and are highly addictive. We're talking about something within reason to be legalized.

[Randedl]

the problem lies in that pot is legal in some parts of the world, is legal for specific people in other parts of the world, and is beign de-criminalized more and more every day.

it is hard for the government to say "NONONO, DON'T DO IT IT'S HORRIBLE AND YOU ARE KILLING BABIES" when the above is going on. the evidence just doesn't justify the ruling.

[Mayo Inc.]

my favorite part is when bloodzombie drops his pants and shits on jackiechan

[bloodzombie]

As long as tobacco companies are major funders of political parties, viable alternatives will never be legalized.

It's not a question of whether it's better or worse than cigarettes, it is the fact that giving tobacco companies a monopoly over such a market is far more economically beneficial for the powers that be than taking it away would be.

I don't really know how true this is, so don't crucify me if you know differently, but I heard years ago that Marlboro already has their marketing in place for marijuana cigarettes (Marlboro Blue I think) and are ready to jump on the market if it ever becomes available.

Even if that's not true, aren't cigarette companies positioned in the best possible place to make money from legal marijuana?

[PUNK rock]

Yes they are, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

[froedrick]

Yes they are, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Not like people are going to stop smoking it until it does happen

It's pretty naive to think commercials will stop people from smoking weed, especially when cops (at least around here) don't really give a fuck.

[bloodzombie]

Yes they are, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

That wasn't the point.

[Jason]

The point was bz curb stomped Rand's pretty weak argument. I love curb stomping. I'm going to go lay some cantaloupes or something squishy like that on the sidewalk and start stomping away.

[Verthanthi]

Jason = anne rice

[Jerome Scuggs]

afaik pot was outlawed in the first place because of cotton farmers or some shit in the 30's. the "conclusive" tests to show marijuana was fatal involved basically filling up a tank with smoke and putting a monkey in it, where the monkey died. (suffocation, not inhalation). anyways pot (specifically, the THC) itself isn't dangerous, just it's effects- that's less dangerous than alcohol, where if you don't die in a car wreck you'll get cancer.

but if that's all been posted before, whoops.

[Ha! Sheesh.]

Please know what you're talking about before you talk about it.

Pot - Illegal to possess, not regulated by any gov't agency

Cars - Legal to possess, has its own gov't agency controling persons who drive (BMV)

Please know what you're talking about before you talk about it.

You can overdose on lots of things, regardless if they are legal or not. I don't think everyone reads the warning labels. Unknowingly mixing 2 legal drugs could have serious consequences.

Precisely.

Regarding the rest of your post about things that are legal but not safe...no shit. Nothing is perfect, you can take LOTS of everyday household objects and turn them into injury causing items. Stairs are one of the top injury causers in the elderly, are you going to say that houses can only be 1 story?

How much of my post did you actually read, and how much did you just skim over?

[PUNK rock]

The grammar was killing me so I got the main points and then stopped reading it.

I was referring to...

Oh, and you know, alcohol is not illegal (at least not here in the US), and quite a few kids die from overdosing on that too. I wonder what the fatality rate is for bunk-beds... Overdosing (in kids) will continue whether or not drugs are made legal (for the rest of us). Whether people use or not is choice, and it can be made whether or not the substance(s) in question is/are legal/illegal/age-regulated. Take responsibilty for yourselves- don't go whining to mom-pop government.

Not all people are intelligent. How do I know? Check out the Darwin Awards. I agree that people SHOULD take responsibility for their own actions. The truth is, some people are so stupid that they need to be dictated what to do about many things in their everyday lives. A good example of this...hot coffee is HOT, but some people still need a warning explaining this.

So, I'm still not sure what you were trying to get at. Let me know.

[Ha! Sheesh.]

The grammar was killing me so I got the main points and then stopped reading it.

I was referring to...
Not all people are intelligent. How do I know? Check out the Darwin Awards. I agree that people SHOULD take responsibility for their own actions. The truth is, some people are so stupid that they need to be dictated what to do about many things in their everyday lives. A good example of this...hot coffee is HOT, but some people still need a warning explaining this.

So, I'm still not sure what you were trying to get at. Let me know.

Main points aren't always extractable at a quick glance, and sometimes there are/is essentially only a few/one that encompass(es), or are/is woven into the entire text. To read only fragments and then claim knowledge is all-too-often hasty misreadance.



Essentially, I said that personal usage of drugs is victimless and therefore drugs should all be made legal. I feel things that are victimless should not be considered crime. In criminalizing victimless activities/conditions, so lives the death of freedom. Cylor then said that they are not victimless- for someone might overdose and die leaving victimized parents. And *basically* where I went from there was to say that life itself would be a crime if all things were judged to be victimless or not under her/his argument, and those not deemed victimless illegalized- for life is risks and life is choices, many resulting in peril and/or death and largely leaving "victimized" friends/family/and so on. Danger lurks around every corner whether it be unnecessary, "unnecessary", necessary, "necessary", or any other form, unform or uniform. Again, risks and choices are part of life. To take responsibilty for our own actions is important, and yet we have hordes of people whining to the government instead. Whether or not drugs/<insert something else victimless here> are legal/illegal/age-regulated, people will still overdose, and people will still die. However, if they are legal, you won't have innocent people rotting away their (ruined) lives in jail, victimized for minding their own business. You also probably won't have people receiving shady versions of what they seek and overdosing accidentally from varied potence/content/etc.

As for the "idiots", perhaps we should stop all this "baby-proofing" and just let natural selection run its course. <<That quasi-basically made its way in there too. Hmmm....Maybe they'll stumble into my grammar of death... unprepared... and subsequently perish from its savageness.