Election Thread #1 -real version (Let's see how long we can stay on topic)

[Nickname]

Testify

[Vykromond]

Seeing as only about 90% maximum of the provisional ballots available will be valid, this really is over. The exact number of provisional ballots, though, is up in the air.

One thing that I ignored in this thread is the Congressional races. This one really folded like a house of cards for the Democrats. Republicans have picked up a number of Senate and House seats across the country, and Bush's second term will give him a majority (though not a huge Senate majority) in both houses.

NPR has posed the question that I had on my mind all last night, and I can't be the only one: "What the fuck happened in Florida?" No answers so far.

[Cops]

God damn could things get any worse?

[Nickname]

Vyk, i noticed on page 3 you bitching about their inability to call the state.

THat fucking pissed me off, CNN showed no balls when they didn't even call Washington state until at least 2 hours after every other network had called it. the CBC called Ohio bush at about 12, and it took at least an hour for cnn to call it bush as well (which of course, it has now retracted, wicked cool)

[Nickname]

Seeing as only about 90% maximum of the provisional ballots available will be valid, this really is over. The exact number of provisional ballots, though, is up in the air.

One thing that I ignored in this thread is the Congressional races. This one really folded like a house of cards for the Democrats. Republicans have picked up a number of Senate and House seats across the country, and Bush's second term will give him a majority (though not a huge Senate majority) in both houses.

NPR has posed the question that I had on my mind all last night, and I can't be the only one: "What the fuck happened in Florida?" No answers so far.

The whole country is going red, brother. (say you prayers and eat your vitamins)

[Vykromond]

Kerry's speech has been pushed back to noon.

Some tiny ruckus is being raised about the disparity between exit poll results (which favoured Kerry, weirdly enough, in Ohio and Florida) and vote counts. But pinning one's hopes on exit polls won't get anywhere, and they aren't proof of voter regularity.

[Nickname]

true, the exit polls in some parts where way off. Sounds like somone was having fun and saying "Kerry" 30 times as they walked out, ran in the back door, and walked out again

(cause seriously, thats how it happened)

[Vykromond]

Some early hypotheses on the Florida scenario.

Bush gained a large portion of the Hispanic vote (discussed earlier in this thread), buoyed especially by Mel Martinez (Senate-R) who also won his election last night by 2 points. Bush also won a lot of votes in the Panhandle that he didn't get when he faced Gore among white privileged voters. I'm not sure of the reasons; perhaps terror or "moral issues" (the most popular reason for voting one candidate or the other this election, at 22%; 80% of those who cited it as their primary reason went Bush).

A hypothesis I heard about on NPR: Bush's ability to handle the series of hurricanes in Florida "in a Presidential manner" helped him significantly.

[Nickname]

the only moral issues for a floridian is that they live in a piece of land shaped like a cock. You, Mr. Vykromond, live in the armpit.

EDITh, and the senate and house (upon checking) are firmly republican

[Vykromond]

the only moral issues for a floridian is that they live in a piece of land shaped like a cock. You, Mr. Vykromond, live in the armpit.

I deny nothing

[Galleleo]

In other words: The world will be in fear for another 4 years.

[Acidmouse]

Is it just the southern and dumb hicky states that voted for bush? all the imbreed fukers who still believe Iraq = Terrorists?

[Vykromond]

I'm starting a new thread for two questions that I think are outside the scope of this discussion, both about the Democratic Party's performance in the election. This thread will still be mostly for election coverage and not speculation.

[Nickname]

OHIO BREAKDOWN BY COUNTY

Marion
Updated: 1:51 a.m. ET
Bush (Incumbent)
16,729 59% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
11,492 41%

Medina
Updated: 3:33 a.m. ET
Bush (Incumbent)
47,499 57% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
35,725 43%
Badnarik
0 0% -------------- HHAA THIS DUMB MOTHERFUCKER GOT 0 VOTES

Meigs
Updated: 6:22 a.m. ET
Bush (Incumbent)
6,156 59% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
4,334 41%

Mercer
Updated: 1:51 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
15,022 75% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
4,924 25%

Miami
Updated: 6:23 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
33,039 66% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
17,039 34%

Monroe
Updated: 3:34 a.m. ET
Kerry
4,164 55% 100% of precincts reporting
Bush
(Incumbent)
3,370 44%

Montgomery
Updated: 3:35 a.m. ET
Kerry
138,262 51% 100% of precincts reporting
Bush
(Incumbent)
134,716 49%

Morgan
Updated: 6:25 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
3,695 56% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
2,810 43%

Morrow
Updated: 1:51 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
10,313 65% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
5,651 35%

Muskingum
Updated: 6:24 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
21,901 58% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
16,050 42%

Noble
Updated: 6:24 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
3,779 59% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
2,618 41%

Ottawa
Updated: 6:22 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
11,820 52% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
10,915 48%

Paulding
Updated: 6:19 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
6,074 63% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
3,544 37%

Perry
Updated: 4:53 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
7,767 52% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
7,205 48%

Pickaway
Updated: 6:24 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
13,864 62% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
8,388 38%

Pike
Updated: 4:58 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
6,385 52% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
5,865 48%

Portage
Updated: 4:58 a.m. ET
Kerry
39,915 53% 100% of precincts reporting
Bush
(Incumbent)
35,054 47%

Preble
Updated: 4:59 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
13,512 65% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
7,165 35%

Putnam
Updated: 1:51 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
14,196 76% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
4,348 24%

Richland
Updated: 6:22 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
36,253 60% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
24,056 40%
Peroutka

Ross
Updated: 6:21 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
16,940 55% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
13,701 44%

Updated: 6:19 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
17,824 56% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
13,909 44%

Scioto
Updated: 5:01 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
17,938 52% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
16,438 48%

Seneca
Updated: 5:01 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
15,624 59% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
10,770 41%

Shelby
Updated: 6:24 a.m. ET
Bush
(Incumbent)
15,825 71% 100% of precincts reporting
Kerry
6,337 29%



Bush Counties: Marion, Medina, Meigs, Mercer, Miami, Morgan, Morrow, Muskingum, Noble, Ottawa, Paulding, Perry, Pickaway, Pike, Preble, Putnam, Richland, Ross, Sandusky, Scioto, Seneca, Shelby

Kerry Counties:Monroe, Montgomery, Portage,

The Split is BUSH:21 KERRY:3

Bush is up 140k Votes -- The election is over, even if they won't call it.

[Vykromond]

I don't think anyone doubts that this election is more or less wrapped up, but by the same token citing the number of counties that went for each candidate is misleading. As in tons of other Midwestern states, including the ones that went for Kerry, the urban centers are only located in a few counties and the large number of remaining counties are all relatively rural. Urban centers, as we know, are the hotspots of liberalism and Democratic voting.

The thing about Kerry's speech today is that he cannot concede; Edwards's speech already confirmed the fact that he hasn't forgotten that he made a host of promises on the campaign trail to get all the votes in the country counted. He also risks losing contributors and funding for the Democratic party if he concedes "too early."