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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ephemeral
    Telcat says, "I remember back in the 1st and 2nd year of Uni, I left all the studies to the last minute ... I was pretty much studying 12 hours a day 7 days a week for the last 2 weeks of every semester ... I didn't feel like eating and I couldn't sleep. I was constantly in panic (of failing). I lost about 5 kgs in 10 days time every single time.

    That is stressful to you? I guess everything can be considered relative. I used to stress over school but now, looking back 25 years, it seems so easy. Stressful for me now is making decisions that impact the food on many people's dinner table if I get it wrong. (In other words, people lose their jobs.
    Nah, I don't take losing my job seriously ... I am on my 9th job and I had an interview less than a week ago. Most probablly I won't be able to get that job. But as far as I am young, smart and capable of hard working, I guess getting a high paid job is just a matter of time.

    A job is a job ... with other things being equal, I am as happy working for you as working for your competitor. For every opportunity you catch, there are whole lots of potential oppotunities you lose. I intend to hop while I can ... and its not for money's sake.

    Job hopping is stressful, but I learn more things, and that's all I care about.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by T3l Ca7
      Nah, I don't take losing my job seriously ... I am on my 9th job and I had an interview less than a week ago. Most probablly I won't be able to get that job. But as far as I am young, smart and capable of hard working, I guess getting a high paid job is just a matter of time.

      A job is a job ... with other things being equal, I am as happy working for you as working for your competitor. For every opportunity you catch, there are whole lots of potential oppotunities you lose. I intend to hop while I can ... and its not for money's sake.

      Job hopping is stressful, but I learn more things, and that's all I care about.
      I can only speak to how I approach hiring, but if a person's resume has a history of 'job hopping' I wouldn't give it a second look.
      Loyalty is considered a good thing, a pattern of frequently changing jobs is not. It is expensive for a company to hire a professional. It takes people a week or two to come up to speed, it takes money to put them in front of a phone, PC, and a benefits package. So anyone that gives me a resume with more than 3 jobs in 5 years automatically goes into the trash can.

      And as a side note TelCat, I would recommend that you NOT ever mention what you said in your post at a job interview or in front of a potential employer. ("A job is a job ... with other things being equal, I am as happy working for you as working for your competitor.") If a job candidate ever said that in front of me, the job interview would be over and I would show them the door.

      If I had a history of job hopping, I would reevaluate how I was going about finding a potential job. It shouldn’t be that hard to figure out if a potential new employer and you are a match. I would review why I had left the last 3-4 jobs and ask myself some hard questions. Questions like, were my expectations greater than what the original job offer stated. It’s pretty straight-forward really. An initial job offer is a type of contract. The company will pay you $XXX,XXX amount of dollars and the benefit package if you adequately fulfill the job description that they give you to consider. Nothing more, nothing less. If after a few months a person isn’t happy with their job, that is the question they should ask themselves, “Is the company paying me and giving me the benefits they offered for that job description I accepted?”. If the answer is “yes”, then it is YOUR terms and conditions that changed, not the companies. And if YOUR terms and conditions have changed, then YOU made a bad decision, not the company. For example, you mention ‘learning’. Unless part of your hiring agreement allows for additional education, then a company has no obligation to you regarding ‘learning’. Of course ‘learning’ is important. If anyone who reports to me wishes to further their education, they do it on their own time. When they are done and have a passing grade or successfully competed a higher-level degree, I will pay them half of the costs they incurred getting it. But this is done on their own time, not company time. We aren’t here to help people grow, we are here to make a buck. And while the company certainly understands the value of learning and of a happy employee, the common denominator for everyone is to make money. That is why the first thing a job candidate wants to know is ‘how much does this job pay’.
      Last edited by Ephemeral; 02-02-2005, 09:23 AM.

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      • #33
        Good news: I've already lost around 3lbs in 2 days. Just from cutting out sugar and not eating four triple-decker rice cake sandwiches with tons of almond butter and jam at 10:30pm. I'm sooo happy about it. Can you tell?

        Originally posted by bloodzombie
        Think about how good you feel about yourself after you work out and don't ruin that feeling with a piece of cake.
        What you don't yet know is that I live and breathe for cheesecakes and rich desserts. My newest technique when dealing with rich sweets(in theory only) is to take a slice of cheesecake, take two huge bits of it, and stick the rest in the freezer for two weeks later. But of course, the cheesecake would vanish mysteriously later that evening.... :fear:

        That's why I don't have cheesecakes laying around.
        Will Thom Yorke ever cheer up? - ZeUs!!!

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        • #34
          1) Take a glass rod.
          2) Break it into small bits.
          3) Put the pieces in your cheesecake/brownies/sweet stuff.

          Problem solved.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by genocidal
            1) Take a glass rod.
            2) Break it into small bits.
            3) Put the pieces in your cheesecake/brownies/sweet stuff.

            Problem solved.
            wait we're talkin about how telcat can kill herself right?
            Originally posted by Tone
            Women who smoke cigarettes are sexy, not repulsive. It depends on the number smoked. less is better

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Squeezer
              wait we're talkin about how telcat can kill herself right?
              Bridges are everywhere.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ephemeral
                Loyalty is considered a good thing, a pattern of frequently changing jobs is not. It is expensive for a company to hire a professional. It takes people a week or two to come up to speed, it takes money to put them in front of a phone, PC, and a benefits package. So anyone that gives me a resume with more than 3 jobs in 5 years automatically goes into the trash can.
                It only takes a week or two to come up to speed? What kind of simple system does your company sell? :lol: From my experience, it takes at least a month to know a complicated system well ... we are talking about tens of thousands lines of code previous software engineers came up with in the past few years.


                Originally posted by Ephemeral
                And as a side note TelCat, I would recommend that you NOT ever mention what you said in your post at a job interview or in front of a potential employer. ("A job is a job ... with other things being equal, I am as happy working for you as working for your competitor.") If a job candidate ever said that in front of me, the job interview would be over and I would show them the door.
                Don't you worry, I am as good a liar as 90% of the people you interviewed and employed.

                "I want to work for your company because (enter your lies here)"


                Originally posted by Ephemeral
                For example, you mention ‘learning’. Unless part of your hiring agreement allows for additional education, then a company has no obligation to you regarding ‘learning’. Of course ‘learning’ is important. If anyone who reports to me wishes to further their education, they do it on their own time.
                A lot of things you can learn from books, a lot of things you can't. By learning, I meant observing knowledges pertained to a particular company.


                Originally posted by Ephemeral
                That is why the first thing a job candidate wants to know is ‘how much does this job pay’.
                Exactly how much can you earn as a corporate slave ... legally that is and not as a CEO (CEOs set their own salaries).
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Material Girl
                  Good news: I've already lost around 3lbs in 2 days. Just from cutting out sugar and not eating four triple-decker rice cake sandwiches with tons of almond butter and jam at 10:30pm. I'm sooo happy about it. Can you tell?



                  What you don't yet know is that I live and breathe for cheesecakes and rich desserts. My newest technique when dealing with rich sweets(in theory only) is to take a slice of cheesecake, take two huge bits of it, and stick the rest in the freezer for two weeks later. But of course, the cheesecake would vanish mysteriously later that evening.... :fear:

                  That's why I don't have cheesecakes laying around.
                  Lol!!
                  well try not having that kind of stuff lying around if you dont want to eat them and if you can't control yourself. After some time turning your backs to cheesecake and all that stuff you wont even want to bite one... well at least you will be able to resist temptation
                  A kiss is a rosy dot over the 'i' of loving.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by T3l Ca7
                    It only takes a week or two to come up to speed? What kind of simple system does your company sell? :lol: From my experience, it takes at least a month to know a complicated system well ... we are talking about tens of thousands lines of code previous software engineers came up with in the past few years.
                    Once a person has the core set of skills, they can be applied to virtually any 'system'. If I hire a Linux programmer with experience in writing a USB controller driver from the ground up, then they are expected to be able to write other drivers. If I hire a EE with experience laying out a high speed AMD motherboard, then they are expected to be able to design and layout ahigh speed Intel motherboard. So, yes to your question. If you walk in saying you are experienced in doing these kinds og things, I expect to see you being productive in less than 2 weeks.

                    Originally posted by T3l Ca7
                    Don't you worry, I am as good a liar as 90% of the people you interviewed and employed.
                    I don't need to hear about lies. I can spend an hour with someone and tell if they have an attitude like this or not. It's pretty easy actually. Plus, I check previous job references, obviously if a person lies they will get caught. Anyone who thinks they can go lie in a job interview is only fooling themselves. Perhaps this is why you can't find a job that suits you?


                    Originally posted by T3l Ca7
                    Exactly how much can you earn as a corporate slave ... legally that is and not as a CEO (CEOs set their own salaries).
                    CEO's do not set their own salaries. Corporations have 'checks and balances' at every level. CEO's report to the BOD (Board of Directors) and also to shareholders, and they set the salaries of the CEO (CEO salary and benefit packages are voted on by the BOD). Any CEO who isn't doing his job can lose it at the next BOD/shareholder meeting. If you don't like the way the CEO at General Motors is doing his job, simply buy a bunch of GM stock and show up at the next shareholders meeting. You can solicit a vote be taken to fire the CEO.

                    You know Telcat, I like you because you remind me of myself when I was young and stupid. But seriously, I understand where you are coming from, just because I am almost 50 doesn't mean that I wasn't young and idealistic once. I quit college in the 70's with only 3-4 hours left for a degree (as form of protest, I got my education and didn't need a piece of paper to prove it). I swore that I would never work in a large company like my father. My wife and I started our own business and found that we could still be happy living on $25k a year. I refused to buy into things like insurance, credit cards, and 401k plans.
                    But eventually I began to discover that it isn't about corporate slavery, I was only a slave to the limits of my idealistic thoughts and preconceptions. I know I can’t influence you now, you will just have to work through it in your own time. But I hope that one day you will look me back up and let me know that you have found your place in the work world. More importantly, that you have stopped relying on finding peace and happiness externally and have found it internally.
                    Last edited by Ephemeral; 02-03-2005, 01:51 PM.

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                    • #40
                      yeah whatever sellout

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                      • #41
                        Material, if you aren't eating enough, your body knows it. Eat a healthy amount, but of lower calorie stuff.. cut out soft drinks that aren't diet, and try excercizing more...
                        Also, if you do cardio, the longer you do it the more fat you burn off (don't say "duh". The first half hour or so of your workout burns carbs, after that it's fat. But the time depends on your heart rate. According to my coach anyways...)
                        So, doing a 30 minute workout every day will burn off what you ate before it turns to fat, but it won't do much for taking off any excess.

                        Wow.. deja vu, and I don't know why.


                        Originally posted by pandagirl89
                        Agreed with Dameon. When I get back in shape for soccer I cut everything I eat in half and exercise twice as much.

                        And if you're going to say that I don't eat anything anyway then shut up.
                        I don't think anyone was thinking that, even if you want them too.

                        And just a note- unless you're eating over 2000 calories a day, doing so would most likely throw your body into starvation mode, you would lose a few pounds and then plateau. And then, as soon as you started eating normally again, you'd gain a ton of weight
                        So, I wouldn't recommend this.

                        Rather than cutting calorie intake in half, lower it slightly and consume more for the same amount of calories (1700 for a young woman, just to give you an idea) throughout the day and stop eating at 7pm (assuming you go to bed at about 10).

                        Originally posted by Liquid Blue
                        You didn't lose enough weight, get back to work.
                        Hahaha. Nice.
                        Last edited by Volcs; 02-03-2005, 05:25 PM.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Verthanthi
                          yeah whatever sellout
                          yeah thats what i was thinking...

                          Originally posted by Ephemeral
                          I quit college in the 70's with only 3-4 hours left for a degree (as form of protest, I got my education and didn't need a piece of paper to prove it). I swore that I would never work in a large company like my father. My wife and I started our own business and found that we could still be happy living on $25k a year. I refused to buy into things like insurance, credit cards, and 401k plans.
                          this sounds like me...

                          Originally posted by ephermeral
                          But eventually I began to discover that it isn't about corporate slavery, I was only a slave to the limits of my idealistic thoughts and preconceptions.
                          but what does this mean?
                          5:gen> man
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Ephemeral

                            You know Telcat, I like you because you remind me of myself when I was young and stupid.
                            Hahaha

                            Originally posted by Ephemeral
                            I quit college in the 70's with only 3-4 hours left for a degree (as form of protest, I got my education and didn't need a piece of paper to prove it). I swore that I would never work in a large company like my father.
                            So- you paid all of that money for the piece of paper, but to prove a point you chose not to accept it?

                            "I've been in a very serious relationship for the past 4 years, we're extremely happy together and plan to be wed next week. BUT to spite 'the system' I'm breaking up with her tomorrow. And yes, I've already paid for the reception and rings."

                            Rather than paying for a higher level of education, you couldn't have simply found other methods of education to learn the same content?

                            "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."
                            Kthx> Does JB Inc pay his child support with pub bux?

                            Undisputed Pre-Menstral Super-Bitch Internet Kickboxing Champion 2005

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Facetious
                              yeah thats what i was thinking...

                              this sounds like me...

                              but what does this mean?
                              Sellout? I don't feel like I sold out. I did it 'my way' for quite sometime. Being poor can be fun when you are in your 20's, but it gets old pretty fast. Sooner or later, you begin to consider your fatality and realize that you don't really want to work until the day you drop dead. Sure, when I was younger20's, early 30's) I didn't give thought to those kinds of things. The wife and I had each other and didn't think we needed anything else. But there isn't much sense in me trying to make you guys understand, I know I wouldn't have when I was younger.

                              As to my degree…it's a long boring story but I'll give you the summary. Basically the university screwed me over and I felt it was simply trying to soak me out of money. I went to learn, not to pad the pockets of the school. Although I had very wealthy parents, I left home at 18 and refused any help from them. I lived in a rented house with my soon-to-be wife and her sister. I worked second shift in a textile mill to put myself through college.

                              The fact that I didn't get a degree has not hurt me because I started my own business. After 12 years of making a living, being fairly happy, I began playing more and more with computers in the back room of the business. I taught myself how to code so I could pick up small contractual jobs on the side. After a year or two I got an opportunity to get a salaried job at a technology company. I began at the bottom of the ladder and worked my up to become an executive and partner now. It isn't a huge company, but I am able to influence this little part of the world and make it better.
                              So have I sold out? No, I don't think so. I can influence and change things much more than I ever could before. I like to think that things in this little part of the world are better than before, and the people who report to me confirm this too. (One or two play TW, you can ask them if you want.)

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                              • #45
                                I don't understand why you wouldn't just take the degree if you were that close to having it ???
                                Kthx> Does JB Inc pay his child support with pub bux?

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