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    Lawmakers Grill Baseball Over Steroid Use

    1 hour, 27 minutes ago

    By Thomas Ferraro

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers grilled a star-studded lineup of baseball players and officials on Thursday about steroid use in the national sport, and said Major League Baseball needed to do more to rid itself of illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

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    In a showdown between Congress and baseball, lawmakers complained a new drug policy by MLB and its players association was laced with loopholes, and accused the sport of abusing the public's trust.

    "For 30 years, Major League Baseball has told us to trust them, but the league hasn't honored that trust," Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), a California Democrat, said at a hearing by the House of Representatives Government Reform Committee to probe drug abuse in the game.

    The all-day hearing featured a number of often testy exchanges between lawmakers and some of the biggest names in baseball.

    Chairman Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, closed the hearing, telling MLB Commissioner Bud Selig, "We appreciate the advancements that baseball has made, but we think it fell short of the mark."

    "We are going to be watching this very closely," said Davis, adding his investigation of steroids has just begun.

    Selig defended baseball's approach, but said he was pushing for it to be even more effective.

    "Baseball's policy on performance-enhancing substances is as good as any in professional sports," Selig said, rejecting criticism to the contrary.

    "Notwithstanding the quality of our new policy, baseball will not rest and will continue to be vigilant on the issue of performance-enhancing substances as we move toward my stated goal of zero tolerance," Selig said.

    According to MLB, fewer than 2 percent of tests for steroids were positive last year, down from 5 to 7 percent in 2003, the first year of testing.

    But critics question the validity of the tests.

    The two leading U.S. major professional sports, baseball and the National Football League, have been seen as lagging behind much of the rest of the world in tackling the issue of illegal drug use and imposing penalties.

    Steroids have been linked to a number of health problems, including liver and heart damage and violent mood swings.

    Baseball announced in January that offenders would be suspended and identified. But language in its new policy shows they could instead be fined, starting with $10,000 for a first offense, and not identified. Baseball officials attributed that language on Thursday to a "drafting error."

    Selig told dubious lawmakers: "I will suspend any player who tests positive for an illegal steroid. There will be no exceptions."

    A half-dozen current and former players, including home-run kings Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, who were forced to appear at the hearing, advocated zero tolerance for steroids in baseball, but appeared to disagree about the scope of the problem.

    Sosa, through his lawyer, and Rafael Palmeiro denied using steroids, while McGwire, who revitalized the sport when he set a home-run record in 1998, declined to say whether he had used steroids.

    "I'm not here to talk about the past," McGwire said, adding he wanted to look ahead and warn young people not to use steroids.

    Baseball has come under increased scrutiny following allegations arising from the BALCO lab case in California that some top players enhanced their performance with muscle-building steroids, and accusations by former drug-using slugger Jose Canseco of widespread use of steroids in the game.

    "Why did I take steroids?," Canseco, who retired a few years ago, said in a statement to the committee. "The answer is simple. Because myself and others had no choice if we wanted to continue playing. Because MLB did nothing to take it out of the sport."

    Questioning the sport's new commitment to eradicate drug use, committee members suggested a national anti-steroid policy. They also warned that Congress could revoke the sport's antitrust exemption that has shielded it from competition.

    (Additional reporting by Andy Sullivan)
    If steroid use is unethical, then so are players with genetics that are muscle friendly, or genetics that allow for more speed devolopment, or better than 20/20 vision. why dont we outlaw them? hey if we want a really fair game, why dont we clone one player 18 times and have a game of genetic identicals.

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    Originally posted by Tone
    If steroid use is unethical, then so are players with genetics that are muscle friendly, or genetics that allow for more speed devolopment, or better than 20/20 vision. why dont we outlaw them? hey if we want a really fair game, why dont we clone one player 18 times and have a game of genetic identicals.
    Are you seriously this stupid?

    God in Heaven... I truly fear for all our lives now. :fear:

    "There are those who said this day would never come. What have they to say now?"
    .Halo.

    Y'know... if you were any stupider, I swear death by laughter would be a real medical occurance.

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    • #3
      There's a huge difference between natural athletic ability and athletic ability that's obtained by sticking a needle in your arm or popping pills. If a player can't stand the athletic gap between himself and a better player, tough. He didn't become a professional athlete on steroids alone. He needs to do some actual work to become better and earn that $15-million-a-year contract. If he even attempts to compromise the integrity of his sport by blatantly breaking rules to try and get ahead of the competition, then he needs to pack his bags and get out. Simple as that.

      I don't know what you're even trying to accomplish with this thread. Natural Athletes Ruining MLB. Not "Balance", perhaps? I think we've heard enough inane drivel for one lifetime, Tone.
      Originally posted by Tone
      It is now time for the energy shift of the 7th root race to manifest on the 3D physical plane and uplift us back to 5D.
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      Gargle battery acid fuckface
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      I tried downloading a soundcard

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      • #4
        the main argument is that drugs are un ethical because they are labmade chemicals with the ability to enhance the human body beyond that which is was built for. IE short term gain for long term loss (it says in that article steroids linked to heart and liver problems)
        Genetics, on the other hand, is all up to chance. Sure, someone may have slightly better genetic fit for the sport but genetics alone doesn't make a legend. They need training and workouts and everything and put a lot of effort into growing their muscles and improving their reaction times... If someone can take a drug to get a similar effect then is the drug not 'unfair' on he who trains hard, and thus unethical if there is to be a 'fair' playing field?
        It is true it will never be truly fair: some teams or players may have more talent, better coaches than others, but then it comes down to a battle of the best at the end of it... those who win will be able to say that they are indeed the best.
        If they just happen to have slightly better vision, or a faster brain, that is simply natural selection, not a 'cheat'.
        If one happened to be really good at maths, would you say he was a 'cheater'? No, people would say he's a genius. Why shouldn't sportspeople get similar recognition?

        Originally posted by Disliked
        Imagine a world without morals... it would be like the tw community
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        • #5
          Jon Stewart says the government is stupid for prioritizing this.
          SIGNATURE PROTEST: KEEP THE SHORT FFS

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          • #6
            I agree with john Stewart, whoever he is. I guess people lose sight of the fact its a game the second money becomes involved. Theres not much money involved with SS and people still lose sight of it.

            Originally posted by Disliked
            Imagine a world without morals... it would be like the tw community
            +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot +++

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            • #7
              to some degree, the govt should take action against it, because if they didnt, many of the people in this country would think they were trying to avoid the issue.

              As far as outlawing good athletes, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Of course there are gonna be people that are better than the norm at things. People that are great at basketball should play basketball. It's like saying that if there's a lawyer, who wins more of his cases than another lawyer, then he shouldn't be allowed to practice law anymore. This of course is why communism doesn't work <_< . Not everyone is equal at everything, get over it.
              Originally posted by Tone
              Women who smoke cigarettes are sexy, not repulsive. It depends on the number smoked. less is better

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              • #8
                I think it's pretty stupid that George Bush refused to testify under oath about 9/11, until his buddy Dick Cheney was allowed to hold his hand during the proceedings, yet MLB is subpoenaed with no problems in less than a month.

                I'm so glad our government has its priorities in order. Establish military dominance so its citizenry can continue living in a state of unfettered mediocracy, but with steroid-free baseball.

                Does MLB and the NFL have a problem with steroids? Yes. Does Congress have a million more important things to deal with than steroids in sports? Fuck yes.

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                • #9
                  "Baseball is sort of a closed society, sort of like those strange secret fraternities such as scull and bones to which George Bush and John Kerry are both members.." - Jose Canseco

                  I read a little of Canseco's book today at the book store. it looked quite interesting. Canseco is so real. a applaude him for promoting the safe and responsible use of steroids. too many people get carried away. canseco says steroids arent for everyone and excess use is for no one. he also notes that one could have a latent underlining medical condition that could be very contradicting with the use of steroids, so there are risks even if one is careful. if they want to use steroids, im fine with it. they should know the risks. it would be nice to have strong healthy muscles, i myself would use steroids if they didnt cost a lot and i wernt afraid of the side effects. i know the side effects would hit me harder than the average person, i already have high DHT levels and dont want to lose my hair, screw my prostate or some other androgenic induced aliment such as shrinking balls or heart problems! i actually do the opposite, i take beta-sitosterol to lower certain androgens. personally i would prefer synthetic chemicals and technology to enhance my mind rather than body.

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                  • #10
                    I don't think his intentions were for the good of baseball mate.

                    He wanted the money :greedy:
                    Originally posted by Tone
                    Women who smoke cigarettes are sexy, not repulsive. It depends on the number smoked. less is better

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Squeezer
                      I don't think his intentions were for the good of baseball mate.

                      He wanted the money :greedy:
                      Yeah that too. i bet a lot of players are mad at him

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                      • #12
                        If Canseco is so "real" why the hell did he flip-flop in front of Congress about the benefits of steriods. He went from "with doctors monitoring, steroids aren't bad for you" to "steroids are bad for you".

                        However, the scary part is he was the most comfortable during the hearings. He came across as the most honest, and with the least to hide. I feel the worst for McGwire. He looked like an emotional wreck. He went from "The Savior of Baseball" to "I don't want to talk about the past". I mean, until last year, that guy's past was a freaking hero's tale. To have been made ashamed of it is a sad, sad moment for baseball.

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                        • #13
                          Blatter backs Juve to keep titles

                          Fifa president Sepp Blatter believes Juventus should not lose the trophies they won between 1994 and 1998.
                          Speculation is mounting the Italian giants could be stripped of the silverware following the conviction of their club doctor Riccardo Agricola.

                          Last year, Agricola was found guilty of administering banned substances to Juve players and given a suspended sentence.

                          "I'm not in favour of retroactive sport sanctions and I don't think it's right to strip their titles," Blatter said.

                          Italian sports officials have asked the Court of Arbitration (CAS) to help in dealing with the case.

                          Italian Soccer Federation president Franco Carraro and Italian Olympic Committee chief Gianni Petrucci issued a statement asking the Swiss-based court to provide "an opinion on the criteria and ways of applying sports rules" to the case.

                          "The case merits an in-depth analysis. It's something new for us and we think a third body should be consulted," said Petrucci.

                          Between 1994-98, Juventus won three league titles, an Italian Cup, a European Cup and a European Super Cup.

                          Agricola received a suspended jail term of 22 months and his lawyers have appealed his sentence, a process that could take years if it reaches Italy's highest court, the court of cassation.

                          Agricola maintains his innocence. "What is important is what my players think," he said after the verdict. "They know that nothing happened."

                          Zinedine Zidane, Roberto Baggio and Alessandro Del Piero were among the current and former Juventus players who testified at the trial.

                          Zidane told the court he took creatine, a permitted nutritional supplement, while with Juve.

                          Carraro noted that "Juventus was not convicted for doping".

                          "In the five years under question, Juventus players were put through doping tests and none of them came up positive," he said.

                          Uefa said it will not take any action until a final sentence is delivered, while Ajax - beaten by Juventus in the 1996 European Cup final - would not comment.

                          Parma, runners-up to Juve in Serie A in 1994-95 and 1996-97, would not comment but former player Gianfranco Zola called Agricola's actions a "disgrace".

                          Agricola's lawyers have appealed against the sentence, while Juve vice-president Roberto Bettega said: "Nobody can take away from us what we won on the pitch.

                          "We are not scared, because we know we did nothing wrong."






                          http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/4307731.stm
                          Originally posted by Facetious
                          edit: (Money just PMed me his address so I can go to Houston and fight him)

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                          • #14
                            Yea, that's what some players are asking for here. I guess Canseco won an MVP title one year, and the guy who came in second is pissed off and has asked baseball to strip Canseco's title and award it to him.

                            However, the Comissioner of Baseball, Bud Selig, has come out on the record to say that MLB refuses to add an asterisk (I don't know if you guys have that term across the pond, but it means to add an official notation to the recordbooks) to any former championships or personal awards due to the extreme amount of variables that would have to be taken into account.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jesus=terrorist
                              However, the scary part is he was the most comfortable during the hearings. He came across as the most honest, and with the least to hide. I feel the worst for McGwire. He looked like an emotional wreck. He went from "The Savior of Baseball" to "I don't want to talk about the past". I mean, until last year, that guy's past was a freaking hero's tale. To have been made ashamed of it is a sad, sad moment for baseball.
                              doesnt bother me. i like it. McGwire should have been more like Canseco. i would have liked one to say to the hearings "fuck yea, i used steroids, i used synthetic chemicals for enhancement, and thank goodness i was, since everyone else was, i am thankful for science of chemistry" Interesting note, mickey mantle was known for some super long over 500 foot home runs and of course he didnt have steroids

                              Originally posted by jesus=terrorist
                              However, the Comissioner of Baseball, Bud Selig, has come out on the record to say that MLB refuses to add an asterisk (I don't know if you guys have that term across the pond, but it means to add an official notation to the recordbooks) to any former championships or personal awards due to the extreme amount of variables that would have to be taken into account.
                              well thats exactly right, there are too many variables to make judgements like that and alter the record books. *father and grandfathers were all large men, could have had genetic predisposition to physical strength significantly greater than the average ballplayer. *used the new contact lens that makes vision better than 20/20, could have seen the ball better. *hands were excessively oily, could have inadvertently thrown grease balls. *took the herb ephedra for extra mental and physical energy. *had one more biscuit for breakfast that day. i suppose a board could draw lines at whats acceptable and whats not, i dont know

                              by pissed off i met the users of steroids who are now under fire all because of canseco

                              synthetics aside, how are they ever going to test for Human Growth Hormone? its a natural body chemical, what are they going to do, say your HGH levels are too high? No more chewing tobacco either, nicotine, being a cholinergic, would increase mental focus and concentration plus inhibit MAO-B

                              Baseball is the only major sport that does not involve two goals (basketball, hockey, football, volleyball, the other football soccer, etc) and a rectangular playing area, and is not golf. It has by far more variables and unpredictability than any other sport
                              Last edited by Tone; 03-20-2005, 03:59 AM.

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