Research 9/11

[Cops]

And fucking demented.

you would be too if every girl you did killed herself.

[Cops]

I'm on the verge of killing this thread which should have never been started in the first place (tone you're an idiot), so hooray for me, and fuck you.

[Tone]

hitler was also a vegetarian.

And fucking demented.

right, and whos talking about homeland security and terrorism now just like hitler did. who is acting just like hilter? what is the american verson of the riegstag fire?

[Ilya]

you

[DoTheFandango]

I feel like there should be a dancing banana on this thread.

[Zippo342]

I feel like there should be a dancing banana on this thread.

Seriously though, I've read through all 8 pages of stuff today, and while everyone has put up some very nice points, I think that all that's been proven is as follows:

1) Governments can be up to some nasty things.
2) There may have been more than one cause of collapse for the WTC Towers. Also there was opportunity for bombs to be planted. (As far as I can tell the MIT site doesn't prove that the towers collapsed because of the fires, only that it was possible that it could have happened.)
3) Some errors occured in the investigation and no real effort was put into it.
4) Bush profited off of the incident, and the terrorists profitted off of Bush's reaction.
5) WTC tower 7 may have been demolished by fire fighters or emergency officials. Question remains as to how they got explosives in place. (This does not seem sinister to me unless there were reported poeple still inside. Demolishing it would have limited the spread of fires.)

Personally I'd love to think that Bush was in on it, but I also believe in the American system where you are innocent until proven guilty. So far, I have not seen any proof that he's responsible for this, only motives and circumstantial evidence. This doesn't mean he wasn't involved, but it means we don't have enough to make an informed judgement either way, and in our system this places him at suspect but not guilty. You could not make a case out of this and take it to court and hope to win. To do so you would have to find a concrete link between him and the actions of these terrorists, you have not shown this yet.

In summary, could have != did. Much has been manipulated and hidden to cause panic in the people so that they'd support the resulting wars, this is standard in most governments, (Who really makes the history?) however this does not prove that anything sinister did or did not occur. Hopefully someone with an open mind and sufficient access can eventually unravel this puzzle and prove one way or another whether or not the Bush administration was involved, but both sides need to be analyzed, and all facts must be considered.

[Tone]

I had to turnicate this article and make font small so it wouldnt be a big copy and paste job (in the Quote Box). go to page for full story.

a Former MI5 Agent says 9/11 is an inside job. And these are the latest people to come out saying the same thing:

• Paul Craig Roberts--Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan

• Morgan Reynolds -- Former Bush Administration Official

• Stanley Hilton -- Former Dole Chief Advisor

• Andreas Von Buelow -- Former Defense Minister of Germany

• And now a Former MI5 Agent

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...5insidejob.htm

Former MI5 Agent Says 9/11 An Inside Job
Attack Was ´Coup de´tat,´ Buildings Were Demolished By Controlled Demolitions

Former MI5 agent David Shayler, who previously blew the whistle on the British government paying Al Qaeda $200,000 to carry out political assassinations, has gone on the record with his conviction that 9/11 was an inside job meant to bring about a permanent state of emergency in America and pave the way for the invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and ultimately Iran and Syria.
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Shayler again risked jail by speaking out. The British government has a legal gag preventing him from speaking about his work during his MI5 tenure....

[DoTheFandango]

Just so you conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, he isn't that smart.
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house *****z fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die

[Squeezer]

I had to turnicate this article and make font small so it wouldnt be a big copy and paste job (in the Quote Box). go to page for full story.

a Former MI5 Agent says 9/11 is an inside job. And these are the latest people to come out saying the same thing:

• Paul Craig Roberts--Former Asst. Sec. Of Treasury Under Reagan

• Morgan Reynolds -- Former Bush Administration Official

• Stanley Hilton -- Former Dole Chief Advisor

• Andreas Von Buelow -- Former Defense Minister of Germany

• And now a Former MI5 Agent

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...5insidejob.htm

So, a Secretary of Treasury for a past president, a man who's title is administration official (he must have been important, I doubt he could ever sport a grudge for our president), an adviser for Bob fucking Dole.....'nuff said, Some random ass German guy who has no ties to our nation, and a former British Agent are all lending their opinion, that this attack was planned by Bush.

Where you see definative evidence, I see a few people who have no business speculating on such an issue, talking out of their asses. Then I see you tone, someone who is simply twisting words around, and twisting "facts" picked up from unreliable websites, to support a cock-eyed argument.

Your original intent was to spread your message, and to make more people aware, instead you have a bunch of people who now refuse to listen to any message you put forth, and a bunch of people who have ignored you, thus preventing awareness.

You have failed Tone, and you are still an idiot.

[Jerome Scuggs]

David Shayler joined MI5 in October 1991 and worked there for five years. He started at F Branch (counter-subversion) in January 1992, and worked in T Branch (Irish terrorism) from August 1992 until October 1994. He left the organization in 1996.

1996 eh? And working on Irish Terrorism?

Seriously, this article only says all these men "suspect" or "have voiced concerns" about all this. None of them are engineers, scientists, or in any way qualified. They're all "former" something-or-anothers.

Seriously. Don't you think if these guys knew all this...they would have TOLD EVERYONE SOONER TO PREVENT THE WHOLE THING? Or even...if the former-Bush guy knew...and this is all a seamless attack by the Bush admin...why didn't they just off the guy? They bombed and killed 3,000 people, why not one more?

[Tone]

You have failed Tone, and you are still an idiot.

Im afraid you are the one who has failed, failed to wake up. oh well.

the 7 billion dollar lawsut against bush:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091004hilton.mp3

[Cops]

Tone, yous a cracker jack.

[DoTheFandango]

1. cracker jack
A game played in which several males stand in a circle around a cracker and jack off. They all try to hit the cracker when they shoot, and whoever hits farthest from the cracker or shoots last, has to eat the cracker.

[Troll King]

Im afraid you are the one who has failed, failed to wake up. oh well.

the 7 billion dollar lawsut against bush:

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091004hilton.mp3

You missed his point completely. You're saying he's failed to wake up, but you're the one trying to "wake" everyone up. You've failed to convince anyone, and to make it worse, you've now made it harder to convince anyone to see your "truth". I don't even know why you still try.

[Tone]

You missed his point completely. You're saying he's failed to wake up, but you're the one trying to "wake" everyone up. You've failed to convince anyone, and to make it worse, you've now made it harder to convince anyone to see your "truth". I don't even know why you still try.

The Perplexing Puzzle Of The
Published Passenger Lists

No Arab names on the passenger lists (No surprise)

http://www.rense.com/general15/perplexingpuzzle.htm