China is becoming more of a threat

[Liquid Blue]

Wow Epi, I didn't know that much about the specifics if we did go to war, good to know.

I don't know LB, but if you'd talk about my country as a 'threat' I'd smack you.
It seems very 'American' to see anyone with some sort of 'power' as a threat. Why do you crave for enemies so much?
This thread sounds a lot like a 'my daddy is so strong he'd own your father' conversation between two 8 year olds.

You can get riled up and want to "smack me" all you want ZZ, but I don't see anyone with some sort of power as a threat. Communist-run countries that have nukes and over a million ground troops? Threat not to America, but capitalist countries all over the world. Don't get me wrong, I know we do business with them, and after reading what Epi, JT, Paul and one or two others said, I have to agree and say that they changed my mind in thinking that a war with China seemed possible.

It seems very "European" to think that a topic posted by an American involving another country revolves around some type of insecurity we have. Just kidding- that sounds really silly, doesn't it? Not everything has some underlying goal or is some way to boost the image of America.



That's the crazy thing about nukes, no one wants to use them because we all know how it will turn out- a shame they remain symbols of power (i.e. America won't get rid of theirs, Korea is trying to scramble more for themselves, etc) . Even with all the diplomacy and red-tape and neither side wanting to start a war, do you think one would break out if a high delegate/ the country's president was hurt or killed in the visiting country? Say China sends their leader over to Japan (highly doubtful), and something happens to him- do you think China would feel obligated to retaliate? Would it depend on the situation, or what?

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[Theif of Time]

What kind of weapon was it that would kill all life on Earth? Urm.... something about the casing on it, when it reaches critical mass releases a special type of radiation which would kill all life on earth. Feck, I forget the element that it's made from.

EDit: OH! I think its Cobalt. maybe. correct me if I'm wrong

Gamma radiation might be able to do it. Possibly also beta, if its high enough energy.
From what I recall Cobalt (Or at least the isotope of cobalt I've seen) Gives of beta radiation.

Theoretically a Hydrogen bomb could kill all life on earth. You just need enough hydrogen and dueterium, and start off the chain reaction.

[BleakFuture]

Gamma radiation might be able to do it. Possibly also beta, if its high enough energy.
From what I recall Cobalt (Or at least the isotope of cobalt I've seen) Gives of beta radiation.

Theoretically a Hydrogen bomb could kill all life on earth. You just need enough hydrogen and dueterium, and start off the chain reaction.

Wiki says otherwise I think, I didn't have time to read the whole article, but:
has some stuff
wiki cobalt "dirty bomb"

and
Nuclear Weapon Design

Search for Cobalt in the second one, it'll bring you to the important part.

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www.threeworldwars.com

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On Thanksgiving Day, I, Mr. Matthew R Blair, am thankful that I'm not crazy like you.

[Zerzera]

Communist-run countries that have nukes and over a million ground troops? Threat not to America, but capitalist countries all over the world.

I wonder if you ever heard about the first world war and how it started.

I wanted to explain something else, but it would be too complex for me to put it in English, Wikipedia explains it a bit:

The outbreak of the conflict is often attributed to the alliances established over the previous decades — Germany-Austria-Italy vs France-Russia; Britain and Serbia being aligned with the latter. In fact, none of the alliances were activated in the initial outbreak, though Russian general mobilization and Germany's declaration of war against France were motivated by fear of the opposing alliance being brought into play.


"The post-war failure to deal effectively with many of the causes and results of the War would lead to the rise of Fascism in Italy, Nazism in Germany and the outbreak of World War II within a generation. The War was the catalyst for the Bolshevik Russian Revolution, which would inspire later Communist revolutions in countries as diverse as China and Cuba, and would lay the basis for the Cold War standoff between the Soviet Union and the United States."

You hardly have to take the second world war in account, because it was only the revival of the first world war.
It's really been a domino-effect

[Liquid Blue]

I wonder if you ever heard about the first world war and how it started.

I wanted to explain something else, but it would be too complex for me to put it in English, Wikipedia explains it a bit:

The outbreak of the conflict is often attributed to the alliances established over the previous decades — Germany-Austria-Italy vs France-Russia; Britain and Serbia being aligned with the latter. In fact, none of the alliances were activated in the initial outbreak, though Russian general mobilization and Germany's declaration of war against France were motivated by fear of the opposing alliance being brought into play.


"The post-war failure to deal effectively with many of the causes and results of the War would lead to the rise of Fascism in Italy, Nazism in Germany and the outbreak of World War II within a generation. The War was the catalyst for the Bolshevik Russian Revolution, which would inspire later Communist revolutions in countries as diverse as China and Cuba, and would lay the basis for the Cold War standoff between the Soviet Union and the United States."

You hardly have to take the second world war in account, because it was only the revival of the first world war.
It's really been a domino-effect

Yes I know how the first world war started, and I took it into account when I asked my question about the death of a delegate in another country. There are a couple of factors that make the situation now, different from back then. When the archduke was shot-

- No one had nukes

-There had been no previous world wars, so no one had an idea of the amount of death and destruction they cause

- China does not rule Japan, therefor it's leader would not have to worry about unruly and unhappy citizens wishing to break it's grip over their country


Now you could argue that the last point doesn't matter, there are still people in Japan that are have a strong dislike for Communism and probably a good number that want to see Hu Jintao, (China's leader) dead. But like others have said before, nukes play a factor in this day and age- not as a sensible means of weaponry, but simply as a failsafe, a card that no one really wants to use. That is why I asked the question, because circumstances are different this time around and I wanted to know if people thought history would repeat itself.

I really don't understand the last bit that you were talking about (domino effect), could you clarify? Unless you were simply talking about how China became a commnist country, although I still don't see why you quoted me in your post.

[Galleleo]

China is getting more and more capitalistic.

[Dabram]

This thread is funny, the use of nuclear weapons, ask yourself why first please.

If China would ever become a 'threat' to the USA I think it would be in an economical way. First of all I have to admit I unfortunatly haven't had much classes in history of world economies yet, but it's pretty well known that economic centra and worldeconomies shift.
I think USA's biggest problem might be that their huge debt, which is a result of their average lifestyle being more expensive than they actually can afford. Currently this isn't a problem because the European and especially Asian countries pay for these debts. Asia is becoming more and more the main producer, the USA is the main consumer, but to be able to keep this role they need to loan money from Asia. If Asian countries like China will ever decide or have to decide, incase popular movements start demanding better loans/social care etc, to stop minupalating their low loans, USA is pretty much fucked. There won't be no nuclear wars though.

[Pressure Drop]

What kind of weapon was it that would kill all life on Earth? Urm.... something about the casing on it, when it reaches critical mass releases a special type of radiation which would kill all life on earth. Feck, I forget the element that it's made from.

EDit: OH! I think its Cobalt. maybe. correct me if I'm wrong

lol yeah cobalt spreads alot more fall out and is alot nastier.

it was part of General Mac Arthers plan in the Korean war to use 30 nukes then band of cobalt bombs on the korean China border to stop the chinese invading for at least 60 years becuase it would be so radioactive they couldn't cross it lol
what a crazy fuck!

[Pressure Drop]

I want to see some evidence of China suddenly being a threat? Is it not allowed to let its economy grow??

You could argue that the USA's middle east policy is more threatening to world stability than China.

It seems like liquid blue has some notion that China wants to take over the world.

p.s.

Even if the area destroyed was directly proportional to the energy released in a shperical way then a bomb with 50x the power would destroy about 3.7x the area.

EHm ment radius the area would be that squared so approx 13.7x area (if i'm not talking out of my arse)

[BleakFuture]

lol yeah cobalt spreads alot more fall out and is alot nastier.

it was part of General Mac Arthers plan in the Korean war to use 30 nukes then band of cobalt bombs on the korean China border to stop the chinese invading for at least 60 years becuase it would be so radioactive they couldn't cross it lol
what a crazy fuck!

Jeeze. Cobalt nukes are nasty enough as it is, read those articles I posted earlier.

[Zerzera]

Yes I know

No you don't. You don't understand how a single murder could end in a world war. The real cause of the first world war was exactly what you were talking about right now. Nationalism combined with Paranoia. The way you think is exactly as countries thought back then. Cool, you did a quick search on the first world war, but you didn't get the point.

[Liquid Blue]

No you don't. You don't understand how a single murder could end in a world war. The real cause of the first world war was exactly what you were talking about right now. Nationalism combined with Paranoia. The way you think is exactly as countries thought back then. Cool, you did a quick search on the first world war, but you didn't get the point.

It didn't take a "quick search", it was something I remembered from History class. Just because you might not have learned it in highschool or wouldn't be able to remember that off the top of your head, doesn't mean everyone else is incable of doing so also.

You wanted to know how the first world war started, and it started over the death of the archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo ( this is what happens when I do a quick search. ) If you want to talk about the reasons for the war, that's cool- but you asked if I knew how it started, and I was taught that this death was what set everything off to war. Now that we have that clear, how about you take a look at the rest of that post I made?-

There are a couple of factors that make the situation now, different from back then. When the archduke was shot-

- No one had nukes

-There had been no previous world wars, so no one had an idea of the amount of death and destruction they cause

- China does not rule Japan, therefor it's leader would not have to worry about unruly and unhappy citizens wishing to break it's grip over their country


Now you could argue that the last point doesn't matter, there are still people in Japan that are have a strong dislike for Communism and probably a good number that want to see Hu Jintao, (China's leader) dead. But like others have said before, nukes play a factor in this day and age- not as a sensible means of weaponry, but simply as a failsafe, a card that no one really wants to use. That is why I asked the question, because circumstances are different this time around and I wanted to know if people thought history would repeat itself.

[RATTY...]

I'm sure you all know that the addition of nuclear capabilities has boosted China into an even bigger threat then before..but now countries close to it are saying that the US could not win a war with them.

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/Medi...eastasia_1.htm

Now this isn't a "US-only" thread. With a huge army and nukes under it's belt, do you think China will set it's sights on any specific country? Japan maybe, or even some part of Europe? Do you think that if people are saying even the USA can't stop them, that China will get overconfident and lash out and attack someone? In the article the Tokyo governor said that China would not hesitate to use the nukes on American or Asian cities. Does it sound like war is on the horizion soon, be it China vs. whoever? Opinions please.

Typical americans to think this way. It's like being in elim listening to newbies about how many nukes they have, and how they can destroy the world with it. Nothing is more annoying than arrogant americans who talks about nukes. Any countries who isn't a 3rd world country can launch a nuke to destroy something.