Abortion

[froedrick]

The fact that you think money given to other people who need is a waste. Says more than any post you're going to make here.

[Lucon]

The fact that you think money given to other people who need is a waste. Says more than any post you're going to make here.

It is a waste, unless you get happiness from doing it. Prove me wrong.

[Troll King]

Well, you're misguided then, because there's absolutely no logical reason to do that.

You're making a leap here. You're connecting "logical reason" with "what you yourself would do in that position". What you consider a logical reason won't necessarily be the same for someone else.

[froedrick]

It is a waste, unless you get happiness from doing it. Prove me wrong.

You're making someone else happy.

[Lucon]

You're making a leap here. You're connecting "logical reason" with "what you yourself would do in that position". What you consider a logical reason won't necessarily be the same for someone else.

Okay, Troll King, you normally make pretty good arguments, but just because someone, somewhere, has a viewpoint, doesn't mean that it has any validity, or that it should be treated as such. And logic isn't subjective. No matter who adds 2 and 2 together, it won't equal 3, and if they say it does, they're wrong.

[Lucon]

You're making someone else happy.

Waste of time.

[syzygy]

It is a waste, unless you get happiness from doing it. Prove me wrong.

the word that proves you wrong is 'altruism.'

...Kids aren't supposed to smoke until they're 19 and can 'make that decision for themselves'. Yet surprise, it happens anyways.

where i'm from, it's only illegal for people under 18 to buy cigarettes, but they can still smoke.

[Lucon]

the word that proves you wrong is 'altruism.'

People get happiness from altruism. It's part of human nature. If they didn't, then it wouldn't be rational, and that was what I was hypothetically talking about.

[froedrick]

Waste of time.

wow you only care about yourself then.

[syzygy]

altruism is aimed at making others happy. the fact that the altruist feels good for doing something is an indirect effect. stop thinking in terms of logic, because this is a circular argument. you think A helps B so that A feels good, whereas, in reality, A helps B so that B feels good, and A feels good as a side effect.

[Lucon]

altruism is aimed at making others happy. the fact that the altruist feels good for doing something is an indirect effect. stop thinking in terms of logic, because this is a circular argument. you think A helps B so that A feels good, whereas, in reality, A helps B so that B feels good, and A feels good as a side effect.

This is true. That's because their superego compels them to, as I stated before. However, the only rational reason for doing that would still be for the happiness it gives to person A. The only thing is, Person A isn't thinking of this and is instead acting for irrational reasons.

[Lucon]

wow you only care about yourself then.

That's the logical way to be, froed.

[froedrick]

That's the logical way to be, froed.

I feel bad for your family.

[syzygy]

Lucon, rationality is an opinion. what you call rational is not necessarily what others call rational. so, because you think it's rational for someone to do good to reap the benefit, it's the logical reason by your standards.

[Lucon]

Lucon, rationality is an opinion. what you call rational is not necessarily what others call rational. so, because you think it's rational for someone to do good to reap the benefit, it's the logical reason by your standards.

2 + 2 is 4 no matter who says it. In every instance I've seen, there's only one conclusion that one can reach while being completely rational, at least about philosophical and moral matters, like this. And it doesn't matter whether what others call rational is what I call rational, it only matters what is.

Now, would you like to point out an actual flaw in any of the stuff I've said about morality, rather than just stupidly talking about subjective rationality?