Right-wing, left-wing... who gives a shit?

[Eric is God]

This is usually the point in Civilization games when I quit and start over; often because oil wasn't available in my territory... how ironic.

[Liquid Blue]

I've alluded to it in my previous post.
[Edit: I mean two posts previous.]

genocide?

Education would work if kids these days were not spoiled and actually gave a damn. Far too many are too fucking lazy and selfish to actually try and learn.

[Jerome Scuggs]

[Richard Creager]

genocide?

Genocide tends to mean one subset of the species, at least that's the connotation anytime it is used and ever since the 40s, I'm not talking about leaving any subset alive over another THIS IS THE TRUE DEFINITION OF GENOCIDE THANK YOU FOR SOILING IT AMERIKKA, each and every single one is comprised of and supports idiocy, hell, they fucking exist purely off of the fact people are stupid enough to allow them the power they hold.

[HeavenSent]

This is usually the point in Civilization games when I quit and start over; often because oil wasn't available in my territory... how ironic.

ROFL LMAO! :whistling

As far as increasing the funds in education, all we'd be doing is giving the administrators a pay increase while the teachers still got squat.

Schools in my area are getting more funds than when I was going to school. Yet they've managed to eliminate many of the other programs like art & sports, 'cept football (not soccer).

I believe the problem with America's schools is that too many instructors would rather teach their biased agendas rather than being objective in the course study. It's dumbing down our youth and filling their heads with anti-american ideals like marxism and wealth redistribution.

Americans have become so tolerant that we've become tolerant to intolerance and given the intolerant power to make the decisions. :fear:

[Squeezer]

genocide?

Education would work if kids these days were not spoiled and actually gave a damn. Far too many are too fucking lazy and selfish to actually try and learn.

Lets start the revolution.

I'm sick of it. Fucking disgusted by it. I mean is it truly too much to ask the people of this country to get motivated and elect some officials that have good in their mind? Officials who's only agenda is to make the world better?

Yes, I suppose it is.

[Subjugation]

Since most people don't read long posts anyway, I'll first give you the cliff notes version:

You have your two extremes in the country---you have your Pat Robertsons, and then you have your Cindy Sheehans. And you rarely hear a moderate opinion. Why? Because all the moderates have too much shit to do, and why would the media want to cover it anyway?

And here's the long version:

I couldn't agree more with this thread. I am just as sick of the polarization of our society as you guys are. But unfortunately, I really don't think it's ever going to get any better. As long as the media, lobbyists, big business and politicians can get away with finger fucking and daisy chaining each other, the average citizen and taxpayer will forever be the fluffer, jizz-towel fetcher, and cum-stain cleaner of the orgy.

Yes, that was a flippant, and disgusting way to describe the problem. Let me rephrase---the average person has a job, a family and a lot of debt. In whatever spare time they have from their immediate responsibilities (changing their baby's diaper, fighting with their spouse over money, and working their asses off to pay their bills), they are going to get drunk, buy things, or watch TV---because this helps reduce their stress levels. And when doing these activities, do you really think they are going to receive legitimate, intellectually stimulating input? Of course not, because it's not in the best interests of TV networks or business owners to get people to think. Because when their customers think, business suffers. They are best served by appealing to our base instincts---sex, pleasure, security, ego...etc.

As long as the citizenry allows corporate lobbyists to write legislation via their political proxies, there will continue to be an invisible erosion of the checks and balances that keep the best interests of the people at the forefront.

And as long as the citizenry allows the media to feed us breezy, superficial entertainment with no intellectual value---while at the same time bombarding us with a slew of mind-numbing advertisements, you will continue to have generation, after generation of kids who don't vote for anything except American Idol.

And that's why polarization is the desired result of those at the top of the food chain. If they can divide us, then they will continue to politically and economically conquer us---by keeping us too busy fighting each other to notice what they are actually doing. It's just one strategy to preserve our grotesque system.

[HeavenSent]

Since most people don't read long posts anyway....
........It's just one strategy to preserve our grotesque system.

Right On!
u da man! eace:

[Liquid Blue]

Lets start the revolution.

I'm sick of it. Fucking disgusted by it. I mean is it truly too much to ask the people of this country to get motivated and elect some officials that have good in their mind? Officials who's only agenda is to make the world better?

Yes, I suppose it is.

Yep, you even think this war would have gotten some motivated, but more join the army instead of reading and expanding their knowledge. And the ones that do try to learn more, there aren't enough of.

So Richard, could we just describe your plan as Armageddon?

[Liquid Blue]

Yes, that was a flippant, and disgusting way to describe the problem. Let me rephrase---the average person has a job, a family and a lot of debt. In whatever spare time they have from their immediate responsibilities (changing their baby's diaper, fighting with their spouse over money, and working their asses off to pay their bills), they are going to get drunk, buy things, or watch TV---because this helps reduce their stress levels. And when doing these activities, do you really think they are going to receive legitimate, intellectually stimulating input? Of course not, because it's not in the best interests of TV networks or business owners to get people to think. Because when their customers think, business suffers. They are best served by appealing to our base instincts---sex, pleasure, security, ego...etc.

Needed to quote that part of his post so everyone can read it- that's exactly what I'm getting at in the other topic when I talk about sex, sports and videogames.

[T3l Ca7]

Without evil, there would be no good,

Without death, there shall be no living,

Without right wing, there could be no left wing,

It is variety that makes this world interesting.

[T3l Ca7]

Geez, I am such a philosoper :grin:

[Kolar]

ROFL LMAO! :whistling

As far as increasing the funds in education, all we'd be doing is giving the administrators a pay increase while the teachers still got squat.

Schools in my area are getting more funds than when I was going to school. Yet they've managed to eliminate many of the other programs like art & sports, 'cept football (not soccer).

I believe the problem with America's schools is that too many instructors would rather teach their biased agendas rather than being objective in the course study. It's dumbing down our youth and filling their heads with anti-american ideals like marxism and wealth redistribution.

Americans have become so tolerant that we've become tolerant to intolerance and given the intolerant power to make the decisions. :fear:

Ideas like that further these left-right issues. While one of the goals of higher education is to promote diversity so we don't have highschool and post grads walking out into the world with intolerant ideas and attitudes from the value systems their parents may or may not have installed. This has nothing to do with a liberal agenda, this is about economics. Being tolerate of an intolerant view is something the business world just doesn't want to deal with so promoting ideas like these is in the best interest of us all. If I for example were racist or sexist and I thought that was prefectly reasonable to act as such professionally in a public or private business then I wouldn't have a job for long. All the money I and my Government invested into my education would be wasted.


Things that are killing our education system are teachers not willing to put the effort into their job and the ones who see this as just another occupation. We need real tools for learning. What's the point in using text books from 30 or 40 years ago? what's the point in buying old junker P2 systems and p300, overloading them with 300$ pieces of software no one can or will use? Why do these teachers need expensive laptops they don't use in the class room, have nice leather chairs in their staff rooms and new 3,000$ desktops to input grades on in their room alone while our schools are falling apart?


College and universities are far better but that is a completely different issue. We still have problems with the teachers, shitty unions causing problems but people are spending thousands of dollars every year for this. My tuition alone is 4,500 dollars a year not including travel and expenses. Ontario is the worst of all the provinces for higher education funding. The recent teacher strike nearly cost me and a lot of kids an entire year. What did we get? Nothing, no extra time in class, no more money from either the feds or the province and a hike in public transit fairs. The teachers basicly got what was offered, after weeks off the job.

[Richard Creager]

sage

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I believe the problem with America's schools is that too many instructors would rather teach their biased agendas rather than being objective in the course study. It's dumbing down our youth and filling their heads with anti-american ideals like marxism and wealth redistribution.

I heartily disagree. I can't speak for your school, since I obviously didn't go there. But at my school, classes were taught with objectivity and an emphasis on independent thought. Last time I checked, my school didn't even rank in the top 500 of US high schools, and I think I got a pretty good education--so the US school system doesn't seem to be totally hobbled by "biased agendas." At least to me.

I don't think they're pushing "anti-american ideals" like Marxism or wealth redistribution, rather, they're just showing how these systems have worked in the past. It's been said rather well before in the past, and I can hardly rephrase it in a more direct manner, but I'll paraphrase:

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Who said things like Marxism and wealth redistribution (your two examples--I'm sure you have beef with a lot of different styles) definitely don't work? Who said they weren't implemented in a wrong way before? Who said they were totally false and we had nothing more to learn from it other than the fact that: it was tried once, it didn't work, the end? That just seems silly to me.

Everyone needs to know about these things in order to make things better for the future. For all of us. If something doesn't work, you need to know why it doesn't work and things that have already been tried to fix it.

Now I don't know... maybe you had some 11th grade pre-calc teacher that was a hardass and made you do proofs in the shape of Che Guevara's head every third Thursday. But if these things were being taught in history, your teacher was probably just letting you know how things have happened, and trying to make YOU think about what went wrong. It's not propoganda, it's not induction, it's teaching.