Has Noah's Ark Been Found?

[Liquid Blue]

Conc's always keepin it fresh.

[Suh]

Did anyone in the thread prior to your post try to disprove gravity or evolution? Regardless of whether or not you believe in this tale or any others

<thinking outside the thread> are you seriously telling me that if this breaks mainstream media, literal christians arnt going to use this as an arguement to prove the bible is fact and therefore attack suchs concepts as evolution?

dont use sarcrasm on the internet it confuses us lower beings

Just like you do not enjoy seeing people going out of their way to shove God and Jesus in your face and tell you you're going to hell, other people don't like to see someone outright ridicule their religion and call their holy text a "fairy tale".

and yet they still do it, into almost every outlet of our everyday life, and im just ment to sit there and take it, and yet as soon as i go a bit "grrr" on an internet forum i get a slap in the face for not respecting peoples belief systems.

i dont enjoy writing alot on the computer, so yes i'll generally write a shorter remark, if i had taken more care then i would have written a more carefully worded response outlining my views on the dangers such a find or even the idea of such a find has and that everyone should just take a step back. but hey i thought fuck it whos really gonna care. As it stands i wasnt expecting a spanking to come from it.

[gerry]

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in some respects your right, but for all the species in the world to have mutated in 5000 years is impossible,

The world's entire population of air-breathing, land animals died, except those taken into the ark (Genesis 7:21) - "everything on Earth" (Genesis 6:17) - "all living creatures of every kind on the Earth" (Genesis 9:16). If only those animals in a specific geographic location died, it would seem unnecessary for God to protect pairs in the ark for the express purpose of preventing their extinction. Surely there would be representatives of their kinds in other areas. If, on the other hand, there were some unique kinds of animals in the local flood's path, then it would seem more logical for God to send representative pairs out of the area, rather than to the ark, as He did. The Bible is clear that all the air-breathing, land animals perished during the flood, except those preserved with Noah - from which all modern animals are descended.

[gerry]

That boat is 45 feet long and 30 feet wide. That's 1350 square feet. A little bigger than the apartment I lived in, in Houston. It was crowded with a second person and a dog.
1 Cubit = 18 inches.
18.0000001188 Inches if you want to be incredibly anal.
45.72 centimeters.
Break out the actual measurements if you want.

"And God said unto Noah... Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt though make in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of... the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make in the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side therof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." (Gen. 6:14-16)

Most Hebrew scholars believe the cubit to have been no less than 18 inches long [45.72 centimeters]. This means that the ark would have been at least 450 feet long [137.16 meters], 75 feet wide [22.86 meters] and 45 feet high [13.716000000000001 meters]. Noah's Ark was said to have been the largest sea-going vessel ever built until the late nineteenth century when giant metal ships were first constructed. Its length to width ratio of six to one provided excellent stability on the high seas. In fact, modern shipbuilders say it would have been almost impossible to turn over. In every way, it was admirably suited for riding out the tremendous storms in the year of the flood.
These dimensions are especially interesting when compared to those given in the mythical, Babylonian account of the Ark. Here the ark is described as a perfect cube, extending 120 cubits in all directions and with nine decks. Such a vessel would spin slowly round and round in the water and from the standpoint of stability, would be a disaster.

[gerry]

it's because the fucking world didn't flood. the black sea did.

The tops of all the high mountains under the entire heavens were at least 20 feet beneath the waters surface (Genesis 7:19-20). It would be absurd to think that a flood covering the highest mountains of the Middle East would not affect the rest of the world. In addition, the waters remained at this awesome, mountain-covering height for five months! (Genesis 7:18-24, 8:1-5).

[Ephemeral]

Why just the 'clean' animals? Didn't God put all animals on earth? Was He admitting He made a mistake?

It is also impossible that there has ever been enough water to cover the earth's surface.

I hope people away from the old 'God by gap' logic. When things could not be explained with the current understanding, people would declare it God's work (God most exist since we can not explain what we are seeing). To really 'drive the point home', people would then spin the story even more to support the belief system they had bought into.

This is why Science vs. Church was so visible in the 1600's and 1700's. The more Science discovered and explained, the more of the Church felt threatened. Isn't it about time that everyone let go of the 'God by gap' mentality and explore the possibilty that God exists without feeling threatened by science?

[Liquid Blue]

<thinking outside the thread> are you seriously telling me that if this breaks mainstream media, literal christians arnt going to use this as an arguement to prove the bible is fact and therefore attack suchs concepts as evolution?

If it happens outside the topic of the thread, deal with it in other topics or create a topic yourself, don't just bring in some random agression towards christians and their beliefs when they aren't even starting anything in this thread.

dont use sarcrasm on the internet it confuses us lower beings

I'll remember that next time can she tell I'm being sarcastic?

and yet they still do it, into almost every outlet of our everyday life, and im just ment to sit there and take it, and yet as soon as i go a bit "grrr" on an internet forum i get a slap in the face for not respecting peoples belief systems.

If you can't express yourself in other topics or in real life and feel the need to "take it out" in threads that haven't sunk to name-calling and bickering, then that's more of a slap in the face than one I or anyone else could ever give you.

i dont enjoy writing alot on the computer, so yes i'll generally write a shorter remark, if i had taken more care then i would have written a more carefully worded response outlining my views on the dangers such a find or even the idea of such a find has and that everyone should just take a step back. but hey i thought fuck it whos really gonna care. As it stands i wasnt expecting a spanking to come from it.

You can still express what you want without resorting to long paragraphs or drawn-out explanations; alot of poster's do it here so I know it's not impossible. Just don't be surprised at a reaction when you take measures saying " wake up, bible is a fairy tale plz". If you cared enough to let others know, there will be someone who cares enough to respond.

[Subjugation]

I hate when mommy and daddy fite. :`(

Yea, I think the TW forums needs more in-depth, thoughtful responses, but I can't say that I disagree with Suh, either.

Her response seems to have been made out of frustration from the opportunistic idiots---you know, like the Bush Administration---who claim evolution is a conspiratory lie, constructed by Satan and put forth by scientists. And that seems to specify the Fundamentalist/Pentacostal segment of the Chrisitan faith, instead of cool TW people like SuperTed.

Ok, ok. She did make a bit of a generalization, but I still think she deserves the benefit of the doubt---mainly because I agree with her and am a partisan a-hole to my friends. ^-^

In similar news, I don't suppose anyone saw 20/20 this week? It had some interesting coverage about the religious/political polarization in the US? I recorded some of it, and maybe I'll YouTube it. I think Señor Bluey might find it pretty interesting.

[Pandagirl!]

Why just the 'clean' animals? Didn't God put all animals on earth? Was He admitting He made a mistake?

Clean animals refer to the animals that were ok to use as sacrifices or be eaten. Unclean animals are just all the rest.

For example, Jews don't eat pigs because they are unclean. Since they still follow the old testament laws, unclean animals aren't ok to eat, thus they don't eat pigs.

[T3l Ca7]

Actually they put 2 of every unclean animal

OMG incest, omg omg omg.

Oh wait, is incest a sin in the bible?

[Suh]

does it really matter that much to you that i let off a little frustration in a single thread, all contained in just one post. its not like i subtracted anything from the thread or ruined it and yet you continue to dig me. ive already stated that i understand my post was rather rash and not thought out, cant you let me slide? or are you just super bored today? or are you trying to avenge the 1.7 billion christians i wronged in such a callous manner.surely you have made mistakes, said words with no thought or care and out of anger?

[Liquid Blue]

no it's more along the lines of me seeing superted or panda post in a religious topic and get the type of attitude your initial post contained. They don't preach about God or anything related (panda has gotten better over time) yet some people still poke at Jesus because it's the cool intraweb thing to do.

I don't harbor any neg feelings towards you or anyone in this topic, just felt the need to adress it.

[Supreme Authority]

Discovery channel watcher!!

(i saw it 2 :fear: , was scientifical proven..that there actually was a flood around the time that was claimed 2 have happened)

[Supreme Authority]

Discovery channel watcher!! (pollux)

(i saw it 2 :fear: , was scientifical proven..that there actually was a flood around the time that was claimed 2 have happened)

[Suh]

the first part "in some respects your right, but for all the species in the world to have mutated in 5000 years is impossible, " was addressing panda's point she made

but when i wrote the fairy tale remark it wasnt aimed at panda it was more of a general comment towards christianity, i guess you could say it was therefore indirectly aimed at panda as she is a christian, but i had no ill will towards her or her comments when writing it.she wasnt even in my mind when i wrote it.

i love those two anyway : <