Israel / Lebanon Shit storm

[Sleuth]

Im not too knowledable on this stuff so im just saying what i think i know:

The middle east has not really been stable for a long time. Between 1914 and 1989 there was also conflicts going on with the western world, with ww1 ww2 and the cold war, but since the ending of the cold war, most of the world superpowers are at peace, if not friends. Today you got Japan france UK America Canada Russia CHina Austrailia Germany Italy ETC all working together for peace, and it is the middle east which seems to be again, unstable, like europe in ww2. Hopefully this time, though it looks to be going in the other direction, there will not be a full scale war. Even if this happens, the world learned the power of the nuclear bomb in ww2, and unless they want utter chaos, will not use another. Half the countries that possess nukes have agreed to never use them.

A war in the middle east at this point seems very real and possible, but a world war seems very unreal, with, as mentioned above, most countries on the same side, and pro-peace, anti-war.

[FarScape]

deep inside news...

well, ill try to make some order in all that you see in the media.

Two days ago, israeli hammer's patrol over the border (on the israel side ofcourse) got attacked by hizzbula guerilla. they used explosive charges and anti tank weapon againts them. killed 4 soldiers and kindnaped 2.

after israel knew about that, a tank went across to try stop and search for them and went on a underbelly mine. the tank exploded and another 3 soldiers died. We have a respect for out death, and we tried to take the tank and the bodies out under heavy fire by hizzbula, another soldier got shot and died. and i dont count the injuries in this action.

all this action was covered by katuyshot rockets all over the north border with lebanon.

Israel left south lebanon (we were in to secrue the north villages) in 2000, and now we sit on the border that agreed by the UN and security councile.
the lebanon army, as said, shouldve been sit in the other side, and hizzbula disarm.
in the 6 years till now, hizzbala wasnt disarm, they even armed more with rockets and attacked our soldiers and villages. in the 6 years israel lost about 30 soldiers and citizens, and all the time we were sit put, attacking only hizbala stronghold on the border, nothing that really hurt them from the roots.

after the action 2 days ago, and the kindnap of the soldier in gaza, israel finaly (our stupid goverment, must said) has decide to fight back and stop this nonsense going around. after we started attacking lebanon, and hizzbala strong hold, hizzbala respone was with over 5000 rockets over villages and cities into the north of israel, reaching the port city of haifa, which is very important city for israel... from this attack 2 civilians died and many injured.


just to understand how this world is dumb, when russia got attacked by Chechens, they went into war killing who ever pass them. when we get attacked by hizzbala (behind a country, lebanon) and palestinians, they tell us that we use too much force.

Israel never attack others, we defence ourselves since 1948 againts the arab nations, by always seeking peace. some countries got brain and did it after long time wars (egypt, jordan) some just want to destroy and keep the war going (lebanon under syria and iran).
the world must understand that we got attacked with no reason, and its sad that we were waiting 6 years to act againts those assholes, losing almost 40 people in that time. many israelies feel the goverment is weak and stupid by not doing anything, and hopefully, we finaly do.


oh btw, those prisonors the hizzbala want to release, they are murders with blood on their hands, who got fer judged and sentenced. they are sitting in prison with really good condition, unlike our soldiers who got kidnaped after brutal attack and god knows what their condition and where they are...

sorry for bad grammar

[Doc Flabby]

A world war is unlikly but there were many wars in europe before world war I and world war II. Alot of the historic wars in europe had similar religious fundamentalit aspects mainly Catholic vs Protestent.

World War III when it happens will start in the middle east and spread out.

[Liquid Blue]

Israel never attack others, we defence ourselves since 1948 againts the arab nations, by always seeking peace. some countries got brain and did it after long time wars (egypt, jordan) some just want to destroy and keep the war going (lebanon under syria and iran).
the world must understand that we got attacked with no reason, and its sad that we were waiting 6 years to act againts those assholes, losing almost 40 people in that time. many israelies feel the goverment is weak and stupid by not doing anything, and hopefully, we finaly do.

You're entitled to your own opinion but I have to disagree with this statement. It's silly to say that Israel never attacks others when your military has bombed an international civilian airport in the past 2 days. Ontop of that, I have read about Israel targeting civilians in numerous occasions, and to even believe that your country is *always* on the defensive is just being close-minded. No matter what country you live in, everything your government has done has not been good and pleasant, shutting out the bad things (sticking fingers in your ears and humming) doesn't make the crimes or incidents dissapear, and neither does proclaiming your country as the vicitim.

You also have to think about the border and if Israel has *always* stayed on it's side, even after Syria left Lebanon. I can understand having pride in your country, just try to avoid playing the violin when the military is bombing civilan targets.

After seeing opinions from people in both countries, and watching the events via news sites and the paper, I think both countries are at fault. Sitting around playing the blame game and refusing to budge in your opinion isn't going to help the people that are suffering on both sides. The leaders need to find a peaceful solution to this as quickly as possible.

[Superted]

EDIT: Never mind, I think I know now.

[genocidal]

Israel is just as guilty in this mess as Lebanon. They may not have instigated this particular situation but they sure as fuck aren't defusing it.

That said, the same goes for the US at this point. We're trying to do something but everyone knows we'll be behind Israel if the shit hits the fan; I'm just hoping we won't be behind them before the shit hits the fan because all that does is fan the shit towards the fan, or escalate it.

[Chao.]

Farscape, you do realize why Israel has been attacked continuously since it's establishment as a nation? It was formed partly to provide a safe haven for those of the jewish faith, and a big reason it was ever actually made was Truman's sympathy for the victims of the Nazis.

I'm not sure they could have chosen a worse location for the country.
You put people of one faith right next to people of another, in an unstable part of the world, with questionable leadership in the area, and what do you expect to happen?

Edit: Why, not when. Silly me.

[Vykromond]

just to understand how this world is dumb, when russia got attacked by Chechens, they went into war killing who ever pass them. when we get attacked by hizzbala (behind a country, lebanon) and palestinians, they tell us that we use too much force.

This analogy makes no sense. Russia has been consistently vilified for its actions in Chechnya, as it should be.

[FarScape]

You're entitled to your own opinion but I have to disagree with this statement. It's silly to say that Israel never attacks others when your military has bombed an international civilian airport in the past 2 days. Ontop of that, I have read about Israel targeting civilians in numerous occasions, and to even believe that your country is *always* on the defensive is just being close-minded. No matter what country you live in, everything your government has done has not been good and pleasant, shutting out the bad things (sticking fingers in your ears and humming) doesn't make the crimes or incidents dissapear, and neither does proclaiming your country as the vicitim.

You also have to think about the border and if Israel has *always* stayed on it's side, even after Syria left Lebanon. I can understand having pride in your country, just try to avoid playing the violin when the military is bombing civilan targets.

After seeing opinions from people in both countries, and watching the events via news sites and the paper, I think both countries are at fault. Sitting around playing the blame game and refusing to budge in your opinion isn't going to help the people that are suffering on both sides. The leaders need to find a peaceful solution to this as quickly as possible.

the only time israel actually went into war, was in the 6 days war when we had information about arab nations massing forces to attack, so we attacked first.

its stupid to blame us for attacking airpot, since we are doing a cmapaign againts lebanon. what you want israel to do? its a war againts terrorist who sit in inhabitants centers. we spread proclamation from the air in beirut, saying to the innocent to leave so they wont get armed. what you want us to do? accept the fact we get attacked and soldiers die?
we never target civlian, if they get harm, its not our fault. its a war its not a fucking paintball game...


you actually dont feel anything, so its easy to write down from peace and quiet place how israel fault is bombing airpot and how bad israel is and its also our fault.

its not our fault, we did everything from our side to make the lebanon border peaceful and quiet. we got attacked, we should stop those attacks, by any means.

[FarScape]

This analogy makes no sense. Russia has been consistently vilified for its actions in Chechnya, as it should be.

really but what can actually someone do againts russia? they got veto in the UN security councile...
so is the USA in iraq\afganistan
so is china in tibet...

if you are small country like israel, you are restricted in your actions...
if you are powerful as those 3, you can attack, and get vilified later.

[genocidal]

Like I said, nobody is innocent in this situation; and you aren't trying to defuse the situation.

[Richard Creager]

Why does hezbollah have such beef with israel again?

[FarScape]

Farscape, you do realize why Israel has been attacked continuously since it's establishment as a nation? It was formed partly to provide a safe haven for those of the jewish faith, and a big reason it was ever actually made was Truman's sympathy for the victims of the Nazis.

I'm not sure they could have chosen a worse location for the country.
You put people of one faith right next to people of another, in an unstable part of the world, with questionable leadership in the area, and what do you expect to happen?

Edit: Why, not when. Silly me.

israel as you said, made for the jewish of the world, after we got slaughtered and murdered ALL over the world (russia, arab nations, ect...), when the big event was the holocaust, who triggered and made things faster with the support of USA and the UN.

yeah this is kinda bad place to make a country, but truely, after the holocaust, jewish people couldnt feel safe in europe, and we DO had history connection to this land.
all over the world, there are faith wars. its happened before, it will probably happen again...
not something thats only happen here.
dam, even the arabs battle themself in lebanon, christians againts muslims...
they had civil war sometime ago

[Chao.]

israel as you said, made for the jewish of the world, after we got slaughtered and murdered ALL over the world (russia, arab nations, ect...), when the big event was the holocaust, who triggered and made things faster with the support of USA and the UN.

yeah this is kinda bad place to make a country, but truely, after the holocaust, jewish people couldnt feel safe in europe, and we DO had history connection to this land.
all over the world, there are faith wars. its happened before, it will probably happen again...
not something thats only happen here.
dam, even the arabs battle themself in lebanon, christians againts muslims...
they had civil war sometime ago

I'm just trying to let you know the reasons for those attacks over the years. (I realize not every single one was a religious bout, but the majority were) The UN/US/whoever even allowing a country to be formed for the sole purpose of protecting Jewish people is wrong to me anyway. Yes, I feel sympathy for those in the holocaust. Yes, I know how wrongly these people have been treated by others in history. That doesn't make it ok to pick out a spot on the map, and, as the victors of WW2, tell them it's for those of the Jewish faith. It would be a bit shortsighted (like the idea of Israel itself) to believe no retaliations would come.

[FarScape]

Like I said, nobody is innocent in this situation; and you aren't trying to defuse the situation.

defuse the situation how?
you aware the fact that israel has been attacked for the last 6 years?
that 30 israelies died in the last 6 years?
6 years after israel LEFT lebanon and sit in the borders that are legal by the UN and international law.

tell me, what a country should do after other country attacking her without any stimulated?

6 years, it wasnt starting 2 days ago...