This is why you don't drink and drive

[Facetious]

I don't see a difference between driving elderly, driving when really tired, or driving a little drunk, as long as the people in all three situations are equally impaired in their driving ability. If you drive in a situation where you aren't capable of driving safely, you're irresponsible, period. I just think it's stupid to draw the line at "have you drank" or "have you not drank" instead of "are you okay to drive" or "are you not okay to drive."

Objectively, I'd feel much safer driving a little buzzed than getting in the car with my grandmother (and she's not like really really old or anything, I've just noticed over the years her reaction time and decision-making ability in the car has faded a fair amount), and that's how I feel it can be compared. I'd be interested to see a comparison of elderly driving fatalities vs fatalities caused by otherwise good drivers driving between .08 and .12. The overall stats of elderly vs legally impaired drivers don't really have any relevance to what I'm saying. If you're a bad driver to begin with, you shouldn't have even one beer and drive, and as I said, you shouldn't drive if you're drunk either. I'm just talking about driving if you can feel the affects of the alcohol but don't have any noticeable symptoms of being drunk, when you're typically a safe driver.

I went on too long. If you want to call people idiots for doing that, fine. I call people idiots for saying your instead of you're. I just found Nickname's "I hope you die" shit to sound a little crazy.

[Epinephrine]

Most people who are way under the limit or are just elderly or are just tired... don't ram their car to make it look like those pictures. I think that's the difference.

[Facetious]

Yeah, this instance isn't an example of what I'm talking about. Nick just seemed to be saying "if you drink and drive under any circumstances whatsoever, you're a spawn of satan" and I just don't understand people who have that stance. Not everyone who has a few drinks and drives is a manslaughter waiting to happen. If you know your limits and stay within them I don't see anything that inherently irresponsible about it except for taking such a stupid legal risk.

The whole "you drink. you drive. you kill." approach just seems to me like teaching abstinence to prevent stds.

[fLaReD]

i thought females were the only ones who ever crashed cars

[pascone]

this thread is awesome.

you realize that if .8 of your blood was alcohol doesn't make sense?

[Soul Survivor]

Nickname,

I think it's positive that you think driving while intoxicated is stupid. I agree with you. Losing a couple friends changed my attitude on driving after having a couple of drinks. Usually, I will call friends, cabs, or even sleep in my car. My friend made a mistake on a side road. That mistake could have cost both of us our lives. He learned from his mistake, to my knowledge, we have gone out since then and he won't take that chance ever again.

Your self righteous stance is a bit annoying to me. Your friend killed someone or seriously injured someone, so that gives you the right to wish death upon people. That makes sense. I remember glancing at the ss myspace site a couple months ago and seeing this douche bag with a beer in his hand next to a computer. Do you know the douche bag I am referring to? (You of course) Why did you happen to post that picture? I'm sure you have many more that might portray you in a different light. It's easy to sit back and judge people.

It's assholes like you who make themselves out to be self righteous. You have never done anything illegal in your life time or anything you could have gotten in trouble for? (Concerning the law) I find that hard to believe. In making this post I expected to get a negative response.(Putting myself out there for ridicule)I know there are people a lot younger than me who play this game, who think it's cool to drink, smoke buds etc. etc. In making this post I wanted to show others that this could happen to them.

Finally, why would you wish death upon anyone? I have seen 3 family members (grandmother, mother, and sister) _ in caskets and probably had 5 friends die in substance abuse fatalities involving cars. Wishing death upon anyone is not a joking matter. If anyone has the right to want someone dead it's me. I lost a sister in a traffic homicide. (Google Danielle Christine Goralski). It's been three years and I have had no closer knowing that the guy who murdered my sister still has a normal life, yet I don't wish death upon him because he was a selfish asshole. So, because you know someone, who knows someone, who knows one, who got hurt in drunk driving accident doesn't give you the right to hold a grudge or wish anyone dead in my opinion.....

Note: You live in Canada they are not known for their bravado, you guys like to sit back and whine. I wouldn't ever plan on hurting anyone you knew due to a back lack of judgment using drugs or alcohol. I can guarantee you this though... Don't make threats on the internet about my life! Buddy... Because if you ever did come looking for I would take my 9mm and put some holes in you... It's all cool Nickname you can act E-Hard that is what forums like this are for. IrL I would pull your fucking heart out and while watching it beat and eat it right in front of you...(with salt,pepper,and some garlic .

Don't Threaten my life over the net dude.....People know who you are in a 2dshipforum. Does anyone know who you are in real life? Enough Said.......



Lata E-Hard NERD

[PH]

Nickname,

It think it's positive that you think driving while intoxicated is stupid. I agree with you. Losing a couple friends changed my attitude on driving after having a couple of drinks. Usually, I will call friends, cabs, or even sleep in my car. My friend made a mistake on a side road. That mistake could have cost both of us our lives. He learned from his mistake, to my knowledge, we have gone out since then and he won't take that chance ever again.

Your self righteous stance is a bit annoying to me. Your friend killed someone or seriously injured someone, so that gives you the right to wish death upon people. That makes sense. I remember glancing at the ss myspace site a couple months ago and seeing this douche bag with a beer in his hand next to a computer. Do you know the douche bag I am referring to? (You of course) Why did you happen to post that picture? I'm sure you have many more that might portray you in a different light. It's easy to sit back and judge people.

It's assholes like you who make themselves out to be self righteous. You have never done anything illegal in your life time or anything you could have gotten in trouble for? (Concerning the law) I find that hard to believe. In making this post I expected to get a negative response.(Putting myself out there for ridicule)I know there are people a lot younger than me who play this game, who think it's cool to drink, smoke buds etc. etc. In making this post I wanted to show others that this could happen to them.

Finally, why would you wish death upon anyone? I have seen 3 family members (grandmother, mother, and sister) _ in caskets and probably had 5 friends die in substance abuse fatalities involving cars. Wishing death upon anyone is not a joking matter. If anyone has the right to want someone dead it's me. I lost a sister in a traffic homicide. (Google Danielle Christine Goralski). It's been three years and I have had no closer knowing that the guy who murdered my sister still has a normal life, yet I don't wish death upon him because he was a selfish asshole. So, because you know someone, who knows someone, who knows one, who got hurt in drunk driving accident doesn't give you the right to hold a grudge or wish anyone dead in my opinion.....

Note: You live in Canada they are not known for their bravado, you guys like to sit back and whine. I wouldn't ever plan on hurting anyone you knew due to a back lack of judgment using drugs or alcohol. I can guarantee you this though... Don't make threats on the internet about my life! Buddy... Because if you ever did come looking for I would take my 9mm and put some holes in you... It's all cool Nickname you can act E-Hard that is what forums like this are for. IrL I would pull your fucking heart out and while watching it beat and eat it right in front of you...(with salt,pepper,and some garlic .

Don't Threaten my life over the net dude.....People know who you are in a 2dshipforum. Does anyone know who you are in real life? Enough Said.......



Lata E-Hard NERD

[H I M]

Must. Kill. Penguin.

[Troll King]

Just what this thread needed, Anti-Canadianism.

[Galleleo]

Galleleo=Another E-Nerd Trying 2 act hard. GG

I haven't made some of the smartest ventures in my life. I am far from stupid. Sigh.....

Note:: To all my E-Nerd Haters like Galleleo,NickNub, and who ever else is a hater, plz stop sippin on the Hatorade Bitches.

I'm laughing on the inside when it comes to you guys.

I am trying to act hard? When have I ever done that.. I don't even drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I don't talk about capping one in your ass, I don't talk about my friends beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in rl. I am not trying to act hard, I was explaining that Nickname was not jealous of you, but thought that you and your friend are total retards.

It's assholes like you who make themselves out to be self righteous. You have never done anything illegal in your life time or anything you could have gotten in trouble for? (Concerning the law) I find that hard to believe. In making this post I expected to get a negative response.(Putting myself out there for ridicule)I know there are people a lot younger than me who play this game, who think it's cool to drink, smoke buds etc. etc. In making this post I wanted to show others that this could happen to them.

So I'll be self righteous here: I don't drink at all, nor do anything else that gets me intoxicated (drugs or whatever), and I'll say that anyone driving while they drank are retarded. And getting a car with someone that is driving while they drank is retarded too, hell, letting him/her drive after drinking is already stupid.

And face, it has been prove that after you drank, even if you don't notice anything yourself, your reaction time is slower, and that is what it's about. Not how well you drive when you're all alone on the highway, but how you can still react in an unexpected situation. And tests have shown that people who drank (I believe over here 2 beers is already a no no, though that probably won't show in a test yet) have a slower reacting time, no matter how much you notice about it yourself.

And for the record, my grandpa drove up to his death (79), and he always drove well, he left his car in the garage when he didn't need to use it, and when he did use it he wasn't one of those people that drove 40 on the highway, no he just drove the max speed and as far as I know he never had an accident in his whole life.

Note: You live in Canada they are not known for their bravado, you guys like to sit back and whine. I wouldn't ever plan on hurting anyone you knew due to a back lack of judgment using drugs or alcohol. I can guarantee you this though... Don't make threats on the internet about my life! Buddy... Because if you ever did come looking for I would take my 9mm and put some holes in you... It's all cool Nickname you can act E-Hard that is what forums like this are for. IrL I would pull your fucking heart out and while watching it beat and eat it right in front of you...(with salt,pepper,and some garlic .

Another E-Nerd Trying 2 act hard. GG

[Emaho]

orka...

[Liquid Blue]

I just think it's stupid to draw the line at "have you drank" or "have you not drank" instead of "are you okay to drive" or "are you not okay to drive."

The problem is alot of kids seem to think they're invincible/ ok enough to drive even when they obviously aren't, which leads to so many accidents in the first place. People either know their limits, understand that they are past them and drive anyway- or they don't know their limits, in which they shouldn't even be thinking about getting behind the wheel.

I call people idiots for saying your instead of you're. I just found Nickname's "I hope you die" shit to sound a little crazy.

Again while I'm not wishing death on the guy, I can understand some people having that stance. There have been multiple people from my highschool that have been drunk, done (insert drug here), or both and then decided to get behind the wheel of a car and drive around. Most are dead or suffered serious injury- thankfully if they've killed people it's generally been themselves. I can understand him saying "I hope you die", because these people don't seem to grasp how much harm they can cause by getting into a car and driving around. I'm not even talking about just killing- for instance a kid from another highschool decided to drive around after a party (drunk) and ended up slamming his car into someone's basement at 2 in the morning, going a little over 115 miles per hour. This was in a townhouse neighborhood also, in Kingstowne (have you been over there?). There was a girl with him but she didn't die (she had been drinking too)- I think he only got a few minor injuries, while the side of the guys house was pretty much fucked up. Thankfully there weren't people hanging out in the basement, imagine just chilling in someone's basement and a car decide to join you at 115 mph.

I just don't understand people who have that stance. Not everyone who has a few drinks and drives is a manslaughter waiting to happen. If you know your limits and stay within them I don't see anything that inherently irresponsible about it except for taking such a stupid legal risk.

No, every time a drunk person gets in a car, there won't be a blood bath. But does that justify any damage at all a person could cause by being irresponsible? No, and considering the fact that most of the idiots involved in these accidents are past their limit and drive anyway, or don't know their limit and drive anyway, help me understand why some people actually wish they would die. I mean, if anyone close to me died because of some drunk idiot, the least you can hope from me is hearing me shout for their death. The worst can be avoided by the cops getting to the guy before I do.

[Reaver]

Oh you mad cause Im stylin' on ya

[ZeUs!!]

Lata E-Hard NERD

As opposed to a chubby E-Thug NERD?

[Facetious]

And face, it has been prove that after you drank, even if you don't notice anything yourself, your reaction time is slower, and that is what it's about. Not how well you drive when you're all alone on the highway, but how you can still react in an unexpected situation. And tests have shown that people who drank (I believe over here 2 beers is already a no no, though that probably won't show in a test yet) have a slower reacting time, no matter how much you notice about it yourself.

And for the record, my grandpa drove up to his death (79), and he always drove well, he left his car in the garage when he didn't need to use it, and when he did use it he wasn't one of those people that drove 40 on the highway, no he just drove the max speed and as far as I know he never had an accident in his whole life.

I feel like I'm just constantly repeating myself, but I'm aware that drinking gives you a slower reaction time, I'm just saying that I think that a good driver thats a couple beers over the legal limit is going to be a better driver than a bad driver sober. Doesn't it make sense that the legal limit would be in place so that the worst driver could drive at .07 and it wouldn't be a huge public danger? That means to me that a good driver could drive after a few more beers and still be as good a driver as that guy. Around this area I see people doing idiotic stuff all the time that could easily cause an accident, and I know that I'd have to be practically blacked out to drive as badly as they do.

LB - That kid was driving 115 miles an hour, that doesn't apply to what I'm talking about either. That guy obviously falls into the category of bad driver/dumbass. The Public Service Announcements for a lot of stuff have always bothered me with their black and white portrayal of morals, and you and Nick came across as repeating that rhetoric. If some kid hears constantly "if you drink and drive, you will kill like 80 people, definitely, you're a fucking murderer, douchebag" (which is how the PSAs come across, pretty much) he's going to feel lied to the first time he drives (responsibly, not at 110 miles per hour) at like .10% and finds he can drive perfectly safely. I just think that people are going to drive after they go out drinking and there should be some focus on finding ways to gauge if you've sobered up enough, not just "well, take a cab." It's the same with the pot stuff. The ads say "smoking pot is awful, the only reason people offer you pot is because they feel guilty about their terrible habit yada yada." The first time any teenager meets a pot smoker, or smokes pot, he immediately knows all those ads are just completely wrong. If the ads said "be careful with your drug use, before you know it, you could be smoking more than you want to. Pot. Keep it to weekends" I feel they'd be way more effective.