help jerome scuggs become smart

[Vykromond]

That's a good point Eph- honestly, I got sidetracked and forgot the fact that the goal in sight was a school paper and not a treatise.

[Ephemeral]

This won't work all that well either. It's not a simple problem. Take X African country suffering from a widespread AIDS epidemic over a number of years. Is AIDS spreading more because of poverty? Yes, probably. To what extent? Are deaths from AIDS then attributable to poverty, or disease? How many? Hell, what about wars and civil wars instigated by countries whose populations in dire economic hardship? Are those deaths "from poverty"?

Of course you could "factor out" countries that have issues like this, but then you end up "factoring out" everywhere where poverty is actually a primary social issue.

You could certainly prove with such a method that increased poverty correlates to an increased death rate but your results would not give a meaningful estimate of what Jerome is asking about.

Understood, but respectfully disagree. Proper statistical analysis and trending the data should make the numbers meaningful enough to appease most teachers. My opinion is that the teacher is looking for the effort and a creative approach to the problem and not going to try to poke huge holes in the details.
But it is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

[DankNuggets]

how are these sources even reporting poverty? In the US i think the poverty level is somewhere around 10,000-12,000 dollars a year, but it's definitely not the same amount of money for all countries, unless you consider 90+% of a country in poverty. Is it a certain percentage of the per capita income?

Could it be that these people are considered impoverished not because of income (you could live in a commune as an extreme ex.) but becaue of a lack of access to information and health care? AIDS spreads through "impoverished" countries so easily because people 1) don't know they have AIDS, 2) don't even know what HIV/AIDS is, 3) don't know how to prevent transmission, 4) don't have access to condoms or want to practice abstinence, or 5) they're born with it

but since your paper seems to be focusing on povety in western society, the best place to look for stats might be something like census.gov to see how many people are below the poverty line and if you're lucky they might have a section that shows how likely one is to die from any random event (don't know what website it was but i remember it from a report i did in hs - it shows the odds of everything from a plain crashing to drowning)

[Jerome Scuggs]

I think it's a question of "had this person more money, could he/she have been saved?"

http://www.drs.org.au/wwwboard/messages/85.html

33k children per day.... excellent.

The children who die and could be saved are almost 100% poor and of
those who survive, we must ask why 500,000 are left blind every year
for lack of a simple vitamin which costs less than a pack of
cigarettes per year? Why are 200 million children under five years
of age undernourished? Why are there 250 million children and
adolescents working? Why do 110 million not attend primary school
and 275 million fail to attend secondary school? Why do two million
girls become prostitutes each year? Why in this world -- which
already produces almost 30 trillion dollars worth of goods and
services per year -- do one billion 300 million human beings live in
absolute poverty, receiving less than a dollar a day -- when there
are those who receive more than a million dollars a day? Why do 800
million lack the most basic health services? Why is it that of the
50 million people who die each year in the world, whether adults or
children, 17 million -- that is approximately 50,000 per day -- die
of infectious diseases which could almost all be cured -- or, even
better, be prevented -- at a cost which is sometimes no more than one
dollar per person?

[Vykromond]

The way to approach it is to look at how poverty levels relate to the death rates in various countries over a good span of time (factor out numbers/countries that have wars and other varibles that might impact death rates).
Perhaps use the WHO (World Health Org) site for poverty stats and the CDC site probably has death rates. Demostrate a trend for the two stats and you are done.

This won't work all that well either. It's not a simple problem. Take X African country suffering from a widespread AIDS epidemic over a number of years. Is AIDS spreading more because of poverty? Yes, probably. To what extent? Are deaths from AIDS then attributable to poverty, or disease? How many? Hell, what about wars and civil wars instigated by countries whose populations in dire economic hardship? Are those deaths "from poverty"?

Of course you could "factor out" countries that have issues like this, but then you end up "factoring out" everywhere where poverty is actually a primary social issue.

You could certainly prove with such a method that increased poverty correlates to an increased death rate but your results would not give a meaningful estimate of what Jerome is asking about.

[Ephemeral]

The way to approach it is to look at how poverty levels relate to the death rates in various countries over a good span of time (factor out numbers/countries that have wars and other varibles that might impact death rates).
Perhaps use the WHO (World Health Org) site for poverty stats and the CDC site probably has death rates. Demostrate a trend for the two stats and you are done.

[Vykromond]

there are a few tests to confirms this, but only a few

brah

actually there are a few tests to say brah not many but a few

[DankNuggets]

What the fuck are you even saying? Maybe you should give the "dank nugz" a rest before you post, brah.

there are a few tests to confirms this, but only a few

brah

[Cops]

world fact book? I've had such a hard time coming up with stats for America, half the time I have to fill something out or I need to pay for their service. I love statcan.ca, it gives me all the Canadian Statistics I need.

[pascone]

mathus was a moron. he didn't consider technology at all. his ideas are extremely dated.

[Ignominy]

re: op

2.

[Dabram]

Because when you find the perfect article you don't have access to the rest of the text, just the abstract, and you have to go out and find it yourself. My uni had a second database called Historical Abstracts (I did History) which contained the abstract AND the article and was much better for my blood pressure

So in fact, JSTOR doesn't suck but your university sucks? Most, if not all, online databases require an account before you get access to anything but the abstracts (Springer, Blackwell, Muse etc aswell), I guess I'm lucky my university has an account that offers us students access to a lot of these databases..

And btw, historical abstracts is also just a common online database that requires an account before it allows you to do anything..

:x

[Galleleo]

My uni has complete access to Jstor, I can acces the full articles.

[Vykromond]

Really depends on what kind of access to JSTOR you have, and what kind of article it is.

[ZeUs!!]

what's wrong with jstor? I like using online databases, they're the fastest way to find articles, which is a great thing for semi-lazy students like me who dislike spending 15 minutes in the university library just to track down an article which you're not even sure of yet if it's going to be of any use..

Because when you find the perfect article you don't have access to the rest of the text, just the abstract, and you have to go out and find it yourself. My uni had a second database called Historical Abstracts (I did History) which contained the abstract AND the article and was much better for my blood pressure