cashiers not speaking english at mcdonalds

[screamo]

You say I'm full of contradictions. I'd like you to point these out for me. I'm going to assume you mean how I don't want to learn spanish but I want them to (EDIT) learn English, and since I'm already here (just in case you were referring to this) I'll reply:

I will repeat something I've said countless times first. This country's national language is English. I shouldn't HAVE to learn Spanish to help illegal immigrants assimilate into our already established society. The burden of change is upon the one trying to fit into the country. When you join a squad in Trench Wars, does it adapt to suit you? Or do you adapt to suit it? I'm not sure how much clearer I could make this point...

On another note: If you aren't directly affected by this problem in a country you don't live in, don't speak as though you're an expert on a situation you really don't know anything about. I've heard random statistics thrown around that weren't backed up, and sounded more like guesses. Guess what? They were from people that didn't live in the United States. =/

[Zerzera]

The burden of change is upon the one trying to fit into the country.

That depends, if they are willing, and you can convince them -or force them- to, otherwise it's you that is going to have to adapt.

If a basing squad uses a 5 spiderline and then recruit a javelin that can outdo their spiders, they will probably adapt to a 4-1 line.
The 5th spider -the worst spider of them all- will feel hurt, but the squad prospers and profits from their new recruit.

[Noah]

I like how you trash Screamo, Zerz, but he isn't a real opponent in this discussion.

It's like Tyson going against Whoopie Goldberg instead of Holyfield.

[MetalHeadz]

Shouldn't there be a english-speaking prerequisite or language check when someone is hired here? I mean... besides understanding "number 7" and "cheeseburger" she didn't understand a single word of anything else I said. I'm sure she's a perfectly nice lady... but I said NO MAYO. Fuck.

Well, that women's the only reason you got that meal for like $2.99. You start imposing state policy on economic forces and prices go up. I'm actually not being liberal here, I'm advocating a non-interventionist policy before any of you annoying Americans jump on my ass.

A deregulated, derestricted immigration work force pushes the supply of labour up and thus income levels drop. This is good for producers and thus good for purchasers and at the end of the day it'll be your country benefitting through things like tax revenue etc. Tax revenue will lead to greater social-infrastructure and the lowered costs of companies will lead to economic growth. Factoring in costs of having to educate every mother fucker that comes through the border to a certain level of English will completely abate any financial gains to immigration.

There are moral questions also to be asked as to whether taking on skilled, educated labour is acceptable aswell.

Such policies are, admittedly, at the expense of national identity and the employment of the poorer, non-skilled national workers.

Good topic Bio.

[MetalHeadz]

That picture spoke for itself man, goodjob

[MetalHeadz]

I think it has racist undertones when you just assume that it was an illegal immigrant.

Lol, nice one.

[Facetious]

Well, that women's the only reason you got that meal for like $2.99. You start imposing state policy on economic forces and prices go up.

I'm not sure the prices of fast food could really stand to go up by that much though. If you go to a place where the food is a little more expensive, say 8 bucks for carryout burger and fries from Chili's or Applebee's (not that those places are great or anything, just an example), you're going to find people that speak perfect English to order from, and your food is going to be a good deal better than McDonald's.

[MetalHeadz]

People who dismiss immigration on racial grounds clearly don't understand the economic benefit they bring to a country. This notion is also flawed by the fact that your ancestors eradicated a whole race of people who owned the Americas before you. This idea that you have some god-given priority to all of your countries assets just because you were born in a certain region is redundant.

PS. I hope the Mexicans take over!

[SEAL]

You say I'm full of contradictions. I'd like you to point these out for me.

I have already done that.

I will repeat something I've said countless times first. This country's national language is English. I shouldn't HAVE to learn Spanish to help illegal immigrants assimilate into our already established society.

I agree that, in the perfect world, you should not HAVE to.
Realisticly, if you import a large amount of spanish speaking people into one area, of course they're all gonna speak spanish to eachother. I think it's too late to cry about it, with 50% spanish speaking people in your country.

Why should it be wrong for your children to learn both languages?? It only takes one generation loop to adapt (you and me). After that, our children, it's all solved, they don't know any better.

On another note: If you aren't directly affected by this problem in a country you don't live in

As statent earlier, we have 177 different nationalities in the city. I am directly affected by this.

, don't speak as though you're an expert on a situation you really don't know anything about. I've heard random statistics thrown around that weren't backed up, and sounded more like guesses. Guess what? They were from people that didn't live in the United States. =/

First. I HAVE lived in a country where they did not speak my language.
Have you?
So I DO know how long it takes to learn a language. How hard it is. I know how it feels like when people, like you, are so ignorant day in, day out. You're being pointed out as different constantly. Just think for a second what that does to you, what stigma YOU are putting them into.
Second. My girlfriend is born/raised from jersey. So she's "one of yours", lived all her happy live in the us. Now she's dealing with learning a language. Do you know how many people like you she has to deal with on a weekly basis? (besides the standard anti usa shit. trust me, besides in usa, you arent wanted, because of your attitude your pulling right now). She's learning the language, give her a brake, it just takes a lot of time.

So there. Validated all your arguments.
Point is. Is that person working at McD (your "healthy restaurant") learning the language or refusing to learn the language.

[MetalHeadz]

I'm not sure the prices of fast food could really stand to go up by that much though. If you go to a place where the food is a little more expensive, say 8 bucks for carryout burger and fries from Chili's or Applebee's (not that those places are great or anything, just an example), you're going to find people that speak perfect English to order from, and your food is going to be a good deal better than McDonald's.

I'm talking about aggregated macro-economics here. An increase in the supply of labour will reduce the wages of those people in affect sectors (predominantly secondary and service). This is because the workforce will be more elastic: producers will have more choice, there is more people going for the same job.

I'm not familiar with those specific food franchises but I'm assuming they offer a higher quality service for a higher price. This is more than likely to be caused by expensive ingredients or greater quality preparation of food.

However, they may also limit the supply of their available workforce by imposing limitations (e.g. you have to be able to speak english and have 2 years working experience in the catering industry). McDonalds has very low restrictions because such restrictions will decrease the elasticity of labour: their will be less available people going for the same number of positions. Hence prices increase, hence a better quality service is provided, hence a different economy is created.

Our views are not conflicting.

[Heroin Bob]

People who dismiss immigration on racial grounds clearly don't understand the economic benefit they bring to a country. This notion is also flawed by the fact that your ancestors eradicated a whole race of people who owned the Americas before you. This idea that you have some god-given priority to all of your countries assets just because you were born in a certain region is redundant.

PS. I hope the Mexicans take over!

speaking economically since you brought it up, illegal or legal immigration from Mexico to the US has a much larger economical effect in the negative column bud. aka, people come, they work, and then ship our currency across our borders causing a rise in inflation.

and btw, we traded with the native americans with beads and shit, not our fault they were stupid

[Eric is God]

why didn't you invest for 45 years?

Fortunately I do invest, even though I have made about a 2% return in 7 years. However, there are many people who fall into the working poor category and have little opportunity to save any money for retirement. I'm sure there are some elderly who were simply not smart with their money and an argument about whether they deserve to be working at McDonalds could be made. I'm certainly not proposing a more robust nation-wide pension plan, but it's a rare example of the sad state of society that I do witness on a regular basis.

[Noah]

and btw, we traded with the native americans with beads and shit, not our fault they were stupid

Here's some colorful rocks, now give me your land.

[MetalHeadz]

...immigration from Mexico to the US has a much larger economical effect in the negative column bud. aka, people come, they work, and then ship our currency across our borders causing a rise in inflation.

Let's analyse this, 'bud'. Immigration, you claim, has a negative economic effect - just to get it straight.

Firstly, legal and indeed illegal immigration (as I previously stated) is extremely good for the consumer because producers experience lower costs which is reflected in the market retail price of their product. Immigration also brings greater productivity because it put greater competition into the labour pool.

According to James Smith, a prominent economist, "...immigrants contribute as much as $10 billion to the U.S. economy each year." The same report states that "...although immigrant workers compete with domestic workers for some low skilled jobs, some immigrants specialise in activities that otherwise would not exist in an area, and thus are performing services that otherwise would not exist, and thus can be beneficial for all domestic residents." It's all very well saying they steal your jobs, but a lot of the time they're working in different sectors to native workers because native workers are unprepared to work for such low wages in such bad working conditions.

More benefits:

- Hispanic owned businesses contribute around $222 billion a year to the US economy.
-Asian-owned businesses employ more than 2.2 million persons and earn more than $326 billion in business revenues for the US Government.

There is now also an emerging school of thought that would suggest that without illegal immigration the American economy would collapse.

[Eric is God]

aka, people come, they work, and then ship our currency across our borders causing a rise in inflation.

Could you explain how sending US dollars into Mexico causes inflation in the US? I'm too far removed from university to state with certainty that you are wrong, but that doesn't make sense to me.