American Elections '08

[Vatican Assassin]

Wait, in that vid, was that forbes guy talking about the dollar being rock solid? About the other currencies coming to the US cause the dollar is rock solid?

Seriously?

And making more money is never good, look at Germany in the 1930s (or was it right after WWII, cant remember), anyway a beer would cost like 2000 marks just because they kept making money and it became worthless.

That vid makes it seem like US is well on its way to become a 3rd world country.

He said that other countries would have restored faith in the dollar if it was backed by hard money , i.e. gold and silver. The point of the piece is that making more money out of thin air is never good, its one of ron paul's main platforms, and that and getting out of iraq is so much more important than all the other isues people have brought up against ron paul. people say okmg he's going to take away the federal reserve, the irs, the UN. If you watch what he says, he says that would be nice, but it wouldn't get done in a week or a year. Making currencies that are backed by gold, beginning to pull out of bogus wars are things he could begin immediately. I am just absolutely AMAZED that so many people on this forum and elsewhere are against ron paul, when he wants to stop the worst things about american foreign diplomacy and economics. I know we all hate Bush, or most of us, we hate corrupt politicians, we hate unjust wars, and this is the ONLY canidate who vows to do his best to stop them, the ONLY canidate who has stood by his word through his time of office, and everybody shits on him. We hate current system, but we do our best to get rid of the one guy who is also against it. INSANITY.

Yes, if the dollar collapses, which it doesnm't take any conspiracy nut to see that is the current trend, we will be on our way to being a third world country. Just because we have been in power for 100 years does not mean it will last forever. Thinking so is short sighted, and ignores all current information.

Please stop the rep vs. democrat argument. You think a certain party won a large war because it happened to be in the oval office at the time? Millions of soldiers won world war 2, not the president.

[Galleleo]

Didn't Obama not accept any funding from the whole lobbyist thing, and doesn't he also want to end the war and bring the troops home?

[Zerzera]

Has anyone seen UNCOUNTED?

[Vatican Assassin]

obama has not always stood by his word, watch him lie his ass off about universal health care:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=2

You're right, he has the best record about getting out of Iraq, but unlike Paul who has gauranteed to not invade a country unless the congress has declared war obama will not make that assertion. he has made his stance on iran clear enough. from the chicago sun, "Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called "a threat to all of us."

[HeavenSent]

Russia did that to themselves. Learn history.

It was an ARMS RACE and America raced them right into bankruptcy. That's what ended it.

[404 Not Found]

something a republican has done to help the average American? Hmmm

The Emancipation Proclamation?

As bad as some see the Republican Party, recent history of the Democrats was just as bad as some feel today about the Republican Party.

Just look at the so called Dixie-Crats as they called themselves in the Democratic Party. They preached segregation as well as 2nd class citizenship and voting rites only for certain people. Strom Thrumond was one of these jerks who was a Democrat/Dixie-Crat turned Republican in I think 1964.

At Thurmond's hundredth birthday party in December 2002, Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott was another elected idiot that praised Thurmond's 1948 candidacy for President under a strong segregation platform, leading to Lott's resignation.

Trent Lott is another Idiot in his own.

Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott helped lead a successful battle to prevent his college fraternity from admitting blacks to any of its chapters, in a little-known incident now four decades old. At a time when racial issues were roiling campuses across the South, some chapters of Sigma Nu fraternity in the Northeast were considering admitting African-American members, a move that would have sent a powerful statement through the tradition-bound world of sororities and fraternities. At the time, Lott was president of the intra-fraternity council at the University of Mississippi. When the issue came to a head at Sigma Nu's national convention — known as a "Grand Chapter" — in the early 1960s, "Trent was one of the strongest leaders in resisting the integration of the national fraternity in any of the chapters," recalls former CNN President Tom Johnson, then a Sigma Nu member at the University of Georgia.

Both parties are horrible as are the candidates running. My take is if Hillary get's the nomination and McCain wins the GOP, look for the Obama people and independents to vote Republican for McCain.

Just my take...but regardless...both parties suck and all of these elected idiots are just that!

[genocidal]

You're a fool if you think that there is a big difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

[Cops]

The Emancipation Proclamation?

As bad as some see the Republican Party, recent history of the Democrats was just as bad as some feel today about the Republican Party.

Just look at the so called Dixie-Crats as they called themselves in the Democratic Party. They preached segregation as well as 2nd class citizenship and voting rites only for certain people. Strom Thrumond was one of these jerks who was a Democrat/Dixie-Crat turned Republican in I think 1964.

At Thurmond's hundredth birthday party in December 2002, Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott was another elected idiot that praised Thurmond's 1948 candidacy for President under a strong segregation platform, leading to Lott's resignation.

Trent Lott is another Idiot in his own.



Both parties are horrible as are the candidates running. My take is if Hillary get's the nomination and McCain wins the GOP, look for the Obama people and independents to vote Republican for McCain.

Just my take...but regardless...both parties suck and all of these elected idiots are just that!

I was being sarcastic? Calling the liberal left wingers douchebags isn't putting them up on a pedestal, it's just recognizing that they tend to be a bit better than the current republican ass bags.

You're a fool if you think that there is a big difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.

You're pretty much right, as far as the current republicans and democrats go anyways.

Didn't Obama not accept any funding from the whole lobbyist thing, and doesn't he also want to end the war and bring the troops home?

He wont allow lobbyists to give him money because he does not want them to 'influence' his decisions. Clinton takes tons of money and tells the public that she wont let this 'affect' her judgment. You decide who's the better candidate.

[Galleleo]

How is the social system in the US if you loose your job and stuff?

Cause if this dollar crash is gonna happen, and the social system doesn't really do anything for ya, you will get a lot of really poor people.

He wont allow lobbyists to give him money because he does not want them to 'influence' his decisions. Clinton takes tons of money and tells the public that she wont let this 'affect' her judgment. You decide who's the better candidate.

I know why Cops, but it was in reference to Vatican saying that Ron Paul was the ONLY one.. after saying that everyone hated Bush and Corrupt politicians. So I was asking if Obama did not at least come close to the same idea he gave of Paul.

EDIT: What the US could really use as a president (though I know its not possible) is someone not from the US, someone with a way different look on things than is the general idea amongst US politicians.

[Cops]

now, now galleleo the market is self correcting, and these are merely the leftovers of a capitalists society.

[Galleleo]

self correcting maybe, but without a proper social system (and that's why I am asking how it works) a lot of people who lose their jobs in a recession (Michigan?) will have some big problems, combined with the people in trouble with the whole house market thing and the fact that most Americans apparently don't save money as much...

[Cops]

I know why Cops, but it was in reference to Vatican saying that Ron Paul was the ONLY one.. after saying that everyone hated Bush and Corrupt politicians. So I was asking if Obama did not at least come close to the same idea he gave of Paul.

Oh, my bad.

People want change, at least that's what I keep seeing and reading and quite honestly Ron Paul's not the one to do it, nor will he ever get a chance to do it. Obama has the ability to do the right thing and he's trying to do it.

[Galleleo]

From all I have seen/read/heard I definitely like Obama the best out of the candidates, though him getting into that bitchslap fest with Hillary in that CNN debate was not so smart of him. We will see on Saturday and Tuesday I guess. I am just really hoping Obama, or if not Edwards, gets it, cause I seriously think Hillary would be the downfall of the US.. or at least a somewhat down slope.

[Cops]

self correcting maybe, but without a proper social system (and that's why I am asking how it works) a lot of people who lose their jobs in a recession (Michigan?) will have some big problems, combined with the people in trouble with the whole house market thing and the fact that most Americans apparently don't save money as much...

I wish I had the answers for you but I don't, I can only poke fun at the jerome point of view on capitalism and the lack of concern 'for their countrymen'. You can also add personal debt on top of that, most people have student debt, credit card debt, loans, etc.

School roughly costs me $5000-6000 per year, I was looking at doing a year or two in America possibly in Buffalo and the costs were 15-20k a year. There was a lot of discounts for Canadian students primarily because it's just across the border so there's a lot of commuters and Canadian students in Buffalo but it still is an ass rapeing amount of money.

A degree costs me anywhere from 20-25k, it will cost me about 50k in America How do you guys in America afford these rates? Is it a lot cheaper than what I'm looking at or is it like getting double teamed by two long polls?

[Vatican Assassin]

obama now has over 300 "bundlers." a nice way of remaining "lobbyist free" is to not receive donations from businesses directly through their lobbyists, but to get one "bundler" from the company to get money from his/her associates. so instead of getting the money from the business, you get it from its employees and bundle it into one huge package.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po..._bundlers.html