American Elections '08

[Cops]

Well, if those 2 men said it, it must be true!

One is a racist and the other spent 30 years of his political career doing things against his own conscience, it took him 30 years to finally realize abortion was not something the government should be involved with.

I don't like wikipedia. I don't use wikipedia. It's a wickedpedia for socialist think pools. It says whatever the people want it to say, which isn't always true.

http://www.councilonforeignrelations.net

There now, rant on that. :P

The quote I found was the exact same as yours, coincidence? I don't want to argue you with that link because it doesn't really pertain to the UN deserving to be disbanded. Not only that but it doesn't include the quote I found on wikipedia, there's absolutely nothing wrong with wikipedia but it's not something that should be sourced, it's a place to find quick info then use the links it provides to sites, usually .edu's which are University sites that have proper sources. You can't source wikipedia without looking into the the sources it gives you, usually it's real and valued info but you still need to do some background checks.

I do know that you got that quote from wikipedia and there's enough evidence after spending ten minutes sourcing it to believe that he was truly an anti-semitic racist, and that an anti-semitic opinions on the UN really don't carry that much weight. As far as the other site you listed, I'm not going to bother, since I'm not seeking a fight. I just that it was funny that you quoted a racist congressman and hoped for his words to carry some weight but they don't hold a fart to the wind.

[HeavenSent]

The quote I found was the exact same as yours, coincidence?
I do know that you got that quote from wikipedia.

I did not get that quote from wikipedia

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Th...&sa=N&filter=0

Edit:>Had i seen the wikipedia page I most likely would not have posted the quote... just for mere fact that you (and your brother and the likes of you two) would have jumped right on the idea that you have.

[Cops]

I did not get that quote from wikipedia

You didn't say where you got it either, this is the problem man, you don't source anything, how the hell do I know what you're saying is truthful? I'm not close minded, I just need some proof before I believe everything you say. This isn't me trying to make a personal attack but come on man you really got to start saying where you get your info from otherwise anyone can shoot you down, even if you do have something valid to say.

just for mere fact that you (and your brother and the likes of you two) would have jumped right on the idea that you have

Me and my brother are very different people, I don't feel like getting into a verbal slugging match, if you and Kolar want to, then by all means go right ahead. I just wanted you to see that you need to source these things before you can quote people. Just because he was a congressman doesn't mean he was a terrible person (which he was) with terrible views.

Edit:>Had i seen the wikipedia page I most likely would not have posted the quote...

Maybe you shouldn't have quoted him because his opinions are that of a racist douchebag. This is exactly why I need proof of what you say before I believe anything that you type, well because you quoted a guy who said the UN is terrible but he also turned out to be a racist who's also anti-semitic. The other guy also had a political career which took him 30 years to see his views were slightly fucked up, all in all, I'm not that impressed HeavenSent.

[HeavenSent]

You didn't say where you got it either


Me and my brother are very different people

Maybe you shouldn't have quoted him because his opinions are that of a racist douchebag.

You can google the quote just as easily as i can.

I like you. Your brother is a douchebag.

The guy's opinion on race was not in question as far as i'm concerned. It was his thoughts on the U.N. that was my focus. Racist people can still have a valid opinion in OTHER areas. It's too bad some people are distracted by the other areas irrelevant to the issue, no matter how one may disagree with those other areas. Just because someone is an asshole doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.

[Kolar]

I'm here to fuck with you. Is that alright?

I don't believe you are but I still don't understand why if you think a person's views and opinions can not be changed through discourse, that you would be on an Internet discussion board.

You're a cocksucking faggot. Now prove me wrong.

I'm sure the Internet kids are going to get a kick out of this.
If you make an accusation or statement the onus is on you to prove it, not on me to disprove it. As someone's sexual orientation is not quantifiable all you have to go by is my word, that I am a heterosexual and not gay.

I wonder if one of those "laws" exists out there like Godwin's for homosexual accusations.

[Cops]

yeah, but like how have you said that he actually proved that the UN was working towards America's demise? It's more or less a thought than a fact.

I'll agree that racist people may have just opinions that differ from race, but I more or less look at the character of the person and without little proof that that person proved that the UN was working against America then I tend to say well the guys a racist and without anymore proof on this matter about the UN then he's nothing more than a racist. If he actually explained how the UN works towards America's demise then I'd be glad to read it and de-construct it but there's no way in hell I'm fighting you on ten different points, it takes too long and way too much time looking shit up. It's easier to stick to one thing, 'how was this man proved that the UN works towards America's demise'. You've got to understand where I'm coming from all I see is some racist guy making some slander at the UN without any proof that the dude was actually right about this.

[Epinephrine]

Why are you guys even bothering with Heavensent? He's already proven himself as reliable as Tone.

[H.M.S. Stargazer]

How many more days till the elections for party rep's?

[Galleleo]

Sarcasm cops, sarcasm!!

[Cops]

Sarcasm cops, sarcasm!!

I'm actually spoc now, Socialist Party Of Canada baby! That's right you called me a socialist so now I'm a socialist.

Why are you guys even bothering with Heavensent? He's already proven himself as reliable as Tone.

I was hoping this time, would be the time. I still think that he will one day learn that you can't source people without any bit of proof and you should also do five minutes of research to figure out if the guy was a complete douche.

[HeavenSent]

I was hoping this time, would be the time. I still think that he will one day learn that you can't source people without any bit of proof and you should also do five minutes of research to figure out if the guy was a complete douche.

All i did was quote the guy and it is a fact that he did indeed say it. If you check out all the links from the google search of the quote, you'd be well on your way to the answer of your question. However, it's also my opinion that just as you've made up your mind that anything he as to say regarding the U.N. because of his antiquated views on race is irrelevant, so too have you (and those with similar reasoning) have made up your mind that anything I have to say regarding a "conspiracy" against American sovereignty & leadership is just as irrelevant.

Before alcoholics can be cured of their alcoholism they first have to admit that they're alcoholics. Likewise, before anyone can understand how the public's views of politics, religion, education, economics & the mass media is being manipulated by an elite group of conspirators, they first have to understand that such a scheme is possible and a probable reality. Unfortunately, some people are too afraid to face this truth or even consider it for that matter. For it would mean that everything they've trusted & believed in would be shattered and ultimately meaningless.

Some people know that certain organizations in the mainstream media cannot be trusted to truthfully give accurate unbiased reports of the news but the majority of those same people are unwilling to make the effort to see the 'man behind the curtain'. It's much safer to find comfort just going along with the opinions of the status quo and hope none of it hits home.

[Kolar]

I'm not going to take advice from David Duke on foreign policy, why should anyone do the same with this guy? The point is Heaven that just because someone says something, for example you calling me gay, doesn't make it true. If you want to claim that the UN is subverting the United States or any other country for that matter then you need to explain that in more detail and provide us with some facts. Otherwise it's just you talking out of your ass about a conspiracy theory.

[HeavenSent]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10709699078746
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...57928216&hl=en
http://www.getusout.org/

Edit:> Not like anyone (set in their stubborn, comfortably ignorant, anti-American ways) will go to those links in earnest, since most (parenthetically defined) like to be spoonfed only to spit it back in the face of the messenger.

[Kolar]

Posting videos from some Conservative foundation doesn't do that either.

Human rights are not given to anyone, be it a Government or a "creator". Every human being born on earth has unalienable rights and freedoms outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. To acknowledge it is "gifted" by some party, physically or existentially only allows a fanatic to believe these rights only apply in some circumstances. It seems this organizations only have a problem with the UN because it foundation wasn't religious enough.

Confiscating small arms from gun owners is also an irrational fear by many of these groups. The UN would also be the last Governmental agency capable of implementing any kind of ban on small arms.

The only power at the UN rests with the security council. Who's set goal is to provide world stability and peace. Removing the United States from that council would allow terrible regimes to proposer. We would be entering the 21st century of China and Russia dominating international affairs, that's not a world I want to live in.

The UN is ineffective on many things, it's also dominated by different countries that makes it ineffective. The US is not a victim of it, it's probably the country which impedes it doing any good most of the time. Russia and China also use it to their own benefit, by using its veto to benefit themselves economically and politically. The US and other countries using their power to keep environmental issues from impacting its self economically. So it's a two way street, all countries abuse it and take advantage of it. I think these people have a problem with the US actually being held accountable for its actions, or at the very least seceded some international power to another body, one more democratically friendly then its own business and political interests.

Roughly 1 billion in funding also doesn't seem like a lot on comparison to the 2.7 trillion spent by President Bush in the year 2006 on budget items alone. And those checks and balances the Founding Fathers so believed in are easily swept away by the very people who profess the UN is a more corruptible body.

[HeavenSent]

I'd like to see if any Americans here can see the problems with your statements as it pertains to our Constitutional rights... assuming we still have any.
Also this thought in contrast to 'reality' by non-Americans:

"Every human being born on earth has unalienable rights and freedoms outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."