so has the black guy won yet?
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Originally posted by JacKieChan> View PostI challenge anyone to site something a repub president has pushed for that has helped the average american. And please don't list tax cuts, b.c their tax cuts help big businesses and the rich the most. Repub tax cuts help the middle class very little.Originally posted by turmiojeenyuss seemingly without reason if he didn't have clean flours in his bag.Originally posted by grandI've been afk eating an apple and watching the late night news...
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Originally posted by Squeezer View PostHilary won the general vote. Obama won the delegates (13 to 12 I think...).
Here's something to ponder Gall if you don't like the delegate system: even if a candidate gets the required number of delegates for the nomination the party can just decide not to back him/her and select someone else.
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Originally posted by genocidal View PostHere's something to ponder Gall if you don't like the delegate system: even if a candidate gets the required number of delegates for the nomination the party can just decide not to back him/her and select someone else.
We don't really have a choice in the voting..... do we?
It's who THEY want, not what WE want. Now they have a system that makes it even easier for them.
Vatican Assassin gave reference to it;
"diebold i think its called, counts 'em up and does not supply verification to see if they were any mistakes or changes made."
The party system is just an illusion. They're all on the same side, with the same agenda, except for Ron Paul; which is why the media downplays anything he does... Because they're working for the same group the politicians are.
The media is paid from advertising for corporations. Corporations are supported by lawyers, politicians & the media. Key players in those groups are members of - or have ties with the CFR & the Trilateral Commission. These two groups run the country.
Just look at all the candidates and their affiliations with the CFR.
America isn't the land of the free anymore. It's the land of the scammed.
Look at the bill HR 1955. If Martin Luther King were protesting today, he'd be arrested for being a homegrown terrorist. If you were to look at the recently passed bills, you would see that what they're really saying makes the Bill of Rights & the Constitution null & void. America has been taken over from within and the only thing needed now is a major crisis to institute martial law to stifle and control the masses.
By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler
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Originally posted by genocidal View PostOh I hadn't even realized that. Fuck CNN for soundbiting me the general vote.
Here's something to ponder Gall if you don't like the delegate system: even if a candidate gets the required number of delegates for the nomination the party can just decide not to back him/her and select someone else.Epinephrine's History of Trench Wars:
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Ow, from what I understood was that Hillary won in the big cities, but Obama won in the smaller towns and countrysides and whatever, thus getting more Delegates.
I am really rooting for Obama though, cause I kinda feel that Hillary would fuck the US up even more, let alone the republican party (but that's also mostly due to my views)Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.
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NO ONE had laid a glove on Barack Obama but today he is fending off concern about his connection to a property developer facing fraud charges.
Barack Obama was pushed back on the defensive today trying to explain his connections with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a Chicago property developer who goes on trial for fraud, extortion and money-laundering next month.
The Democratic presidential candidate acknowledged it had been a mistake to buy land next to his $1.6 million home in 2005 from the wife of a man widely reported at the time to be under investigation. The deal reportedly netted a profit for Mr Obama worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
"In terms of appearances," he said, "I should not have entered into any kind of agreement with him." His campaign has already given charities $85,000 in Rezko-linked donations - including $40,000 as recently as last weekend.
But in an ill-tempered TV debate on Monday night, Hillary Clinton had seized on the issue, saying her rival had done legal work for "your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business".
And this morning Mr Obama awoke to a barrage of fresh claims in Chicago newspapers and the Los Angeles Times, apparently prompted by a memo from the Clinton camp on Tuesday. These alleged he had received up to $200,000 from Rezko and his associates.
In a series of TV appearances, Mr Obama promised to return any contributions linked to his former friend, saying that when he first knew Rezko "nobody had an inkling that he was involved in any problems". He added: "I had nothing to do with it - and Senator Clinton knows that."
Mr Obama's campaign believe the allegations have been dragged to the surface by Mrs Clinton as part of a strategy to tarnish his reputation at a crucial stage of the Democratic presidential race.
His aides point out that the Clinton campaign had itself been forced to return almost $1 million in donations raised by the convicted fraudster, Norman Hsu. But Mr Obama is showing signs of frustration after spending much of this week complaining about Bill Clinton distorting his words.
Asked by a reporter on Tuesday if the former president was "trying to get into his head", Mr Obama replied testily that the question was a "cheap stunt".
Today, he said: "What I want to make sure is that when he goes after me, he goes after me on the basis of facts and policy differences, and stuff isn't just made up."
At a campaign event in Lexington, ahead of Saturday's primary in South Carolina, he compared his position to that of John McCain who was smeared with false allegations eight years ago during a notoriously dirty Republican primary in the same state. He had gone "through this thing in 2000 - and I'm going through it now," said Mr Obama, citing the circulation of "scurrilous" e-mails claiming he is a secret Muslim.
His campaign has since had to produce leaflets explaining, under the heading "committed Christian", how he "accepted Jesus Christ into his life".
In an interview Mr Obama said: "We have no way of tracing where these e-mails come from (but) they somehow appear magically wherever the next primary or caucus is - that indicates to me that is being used to try to raise doubts or suspicions about my candidacy."
There is no evidence to link the e-mails to Mrs Clinton's supporters. But both she - and her husband - have sought to contrast Mr Obama's "untested" candidacy with their own record. "I'm used to taking the incoming fire," she said this week, "I've taken it for 16 years."
Mrs Clinton's campaign has been busy lowering expectations for Saturday's primary in South Carolina where polls show Mr Obama leads with strong backing from black voters. She has, instead, spent the past two days in the more delegate-rich battleground of "Super Tuesday" states which vote on February 5.
Her husband, who has been left in charge of the contest here, says the campaign does not have as much organisation in South Carolina as other contests, adding: "We have a little bit of work to do."
But Mr Obama points out that this is the "the next primary" - adding that voters "will have to make an assessment in terms of how seriously she's taking the state".
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Wonder how big they are going to make this to be ...☕ 🍔 🍅 🍊🍏
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I am so glad we are not at that mudslinging point (yet) over here. Last elections some personal attacks were made, but nothing really related to family or people you might know etc. (at least that I know off and I saw quite some debates and read quite some stuff).
What does this have to do with politics, its about the issues, about what they stand for, not if the smoked pot in the past, or happen to know a guy who was once convicted.Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.
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