Lebanon is falling!

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Actually they don't. USA technology and fundings are way stronger than any country in the world. China is also having some issues with countries around her, unlike U.S.

Your fooling yourself on this FarScape, as the U.S. is so in debt. it will take 1 - 2 generations to pay for the gaping hole we are in financially. The U.S. has borrowed so much money from China in funding Bush and his idiot policies that China basically could cash in and make the dollar even more worthless due to the loans the U.S. has. They own the U.S. financially. The Debt. that has transpired in the years of Dumbya Bush's presidency went from a balanced budget and surplus to a debt that has never been witnessed in this country. As of April 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.5 trillion, about $31,100 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public, was roughly $5.3 trillion. If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion. In 2007 the public debt was 36.8 percent of GDP ranking 65th in the world. The total debt is currently 66.5% of GNP.

In the years to come, the world is really going to have to look elsewhere for help and monetary aid. This is not just going to go away for the U.S. in 4 years after Dumb ass Bush is gone.

[FarScape]

Oh I was more addressing to the armies strength B)

You sure about the 1-2 generations? it sounds bad...

[Jeenyuss]

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[Cops]

Your fooling yourself on this FarScape, as the U.S. is so in debt. it will take 1 - 2 generations to pay for the gaping hole we are in financially. The U.S. has borrowed so much money from China in funding Bush and his idiot policies that China basically could cash in and make the dollar even more worthless due to the loans the U.S. has. They own the U.S. financially. The Debt. that has transpired in the years of Dumbya Bush's presidency went from a balanced budget and surplus to a debt that has never been witnessed in this country. As of April 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.5 trillion, about $31,100 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public, was roughly $5.3 trillion. If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion. In 2007 the public debt was 36.8 percent of GDP ranking 65th in the world. The total debt is currently 66.5% of GNP.

In the years to come, the world is really going to have to look elsewhere for help and monetary aid. This is not just going to go away for the U.S. in 4 years after Dumb ass Bush is gone.

the debt is high but considering the average person makes what 31k? It's relative to how much you owe and how much you make. If an avaerage person makes $31,000 and you owe $31,000 per capita it's a lot better than making $10,000 per person and oweing $31,000 per person. At least America has the ability to get out of this 'hole'.

The country will be saved by another democrat only to lose its shit 8 years later to another Republican because the south loves Neo-Cons. Isn't this how the American Empire works? Let me know how that stimulus pack is coming.

'It’s like giving a hard-core alcoholic a bag of cocaine to keep his mind off his smack habit' - Bob Wire

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Itt:

Freedom isn't free, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.

[Jeenyuss]

'It’s like giving a hard-core alcoholic a bag of cocaine to keep his mind off his smack habit' - Bob Wire

i don't get it.

[EnFlAmE]

Thats the problem with liberal idiots from Europe (and from US). USA is the reason many countries sustain in bad times. Lets put aside the aid that US soldiers gave with their blood for the "Europe" against Germany. What about the shit load of money and supplies that US gave to West Europe after the fall of the Nazis? You would probably be communist right now, learning that Stalin is god, so give some respect to USA, and try to understand why they DO feel responsible for other nations and people (Without USA my country would not exist that for sure).

Sure we could say "Thank you USA for saving us" and personaly I am gratefull that they did but seriously lighten the fuck up. Why do you think they did it? Only cause they are the great defenders of democracy and freedom? Don't forget that the USA only joined the war AFTER they were attacked and I'm also pretty sure one of the reasons why they liberated europe was because they didn't want communism to be spread.
Lets make a small list of the past wars of the US shall we?
The Korean war
-Pretty sure they didn't give a damn about the people there but it mostly the fear of communism spreading (aka domino theory) too the east that got them into that one.
Vietnam
-same principle; AMAGD STOP COMMUNISM FROM SPREADING
Grenada
-same principle
Panama
-pretty much just to secure the panama canal and too help the "war on drugs" effort
Iraq
I'm quite sure they wouldn't have given a damn if there wasn't any oil in koewait
-Somalia
I'd say this was a real peacekeeping mission, just sad that they got the hell out as soon as 31 of their soldiers died..
Yugoslavia
A real peacekeeping mission
The invasion in Iraq
Don't get me started on this one.

If you look at the effects of these wars then I wouldn't call them 100% positive. Iraq and Somalia are still quite far from stable and yoguslavia is a poweder keg waiting to explode again. The US might have not lost their little expidition in Korea but alll it did in the end for them is to split the country in two and it gave them a nice new enemy. (Not that North Korea is realy capable of much but I think its proven they can be quite annoying ;p )

Also I am quite aware that without the US Isreal wouldn't exist. But could you honestly say they did the world a huge favor by creating and supporting it? Ever since Isreal was formed its been quite unstable (to say the least) in the middle east and the arabic world might not have been as hostile towards the US if they didn't support you.
Before half the forum attacks me for that last part. I know enough about the history of isreal that I know that it wasn't the US that said "here you go, you can be a country now" but that it rather was isreal declaring themselves independant and then got support of the US and great britian. Also I'm not saying it would have been better if the state of isreal didn't exist but its quite clear that it hasn't made the middle east a quieter place.

I don't think the US have resources to make a war against Myanmar. It not everything about OIL. US has military bases in many places and countries around the globe.

No idea what your point is here. Its quite clear the US can't overextend themselves by invading Myanmar (altough I'm not that sure they would put up a big fight). I'm pretty sure its all about the oil and yes I'm aware they have bases all over the globe.

Actually they don't. USA technology and fundings are way stronger than any country in the world. China is also having some issues with countries around her, unlike U.S.

If I remember correctly I heard a while ago that the US is so far indept by now they can't just say "hey no problemo we'll just use economic growth to pay off our debts". Sure the US don't have any mayor problems with Canada or Mexico but they do have a pretty large part of the world that doesn't like them at all. Furthermore China is currently making a move into Africa by helping poor country's to develop their infrastructure so they do have the funds for it. I wouldn't be suprised its more the lack of willpower or experience that is keeping them back.

small disclaimer I've had quite a few beers so this might not make much sence.. Also I might totaly disagree with what I wrote when I wake up

[Jerome Scuggs]

edit: at the drive-in's drummer came from beirut, fleeing the civil war

so... let's let those guys keep havin' at it. at worst, we get new musical talent.

[Vykromond]

Yes, let's invade another country. It worked so well the last time we tried it, why the hell not???

[FarScape]

Sure we could say "Thank you USA for saving us" and personaly I am gratefull that they did but seriously lighten the fuck up. Why do you think they did it? Only cause they are the great defenders of democracy and freedom? Don't forget that the USA only joined the war AFTER they were attacked and I'm also pretty sure one of the reasons why they liberated europe was because they didn't want communism to be spread.
Lets make a small list of the past wars of the US shall we?
The Korean war
-Pretty sure they didn't give a damn about the people there but it mostly the fear of communism spreading (aka domino theory) too the east that got them into that one.
Vietnam
-same principle; AMAGD STOP COMMUNISM FROM SPREADING
Grenada
-same principle
Panama
-pretty much just to secure the panama canal and too help the "war on drugs" effort
Iraq
I'm quite sure they wouldn't have given a damn if there wasn't any oil in koewait
-Somalia
I'd say this was a real peacekeeping mission, just sad that they got the hell out as soon as 31 of their soldiers died..
Yugoslavia
A real peacekeeping mission
The invasion in Iraq
Don't get me started on this one.

If you look at the effects of these wars then I wouldn't call them 100% positive. Iraq and Somalia are still quite far from stable and yoguslavia is a poweder keg waiting to explode again. The US might have not lost their little expidition in Korea but alll it did in the end for them is to split the country in two and it gave them a nice new enemy. (Not that North Korea is realy capable of much but I think its proven they can be quite annoying ;p )

Everything you said here is true. U.S did enter the waר after they got attacked by Germany, not because of the communists yet (they were kind of allies in the war). But after the war, yes, it was USA interest to strength the democrats in West Europe.

Lets watch the fact of whats happened to the countries in Europe who were in the "West" control and what happened to the countries who were under USSR control. The west countries got a lot of cash to rebuild their broken land. they got a lot food and supplies and the democracy in their countries were heavily supported.

What happened to the soviet side? the soviets took the resources from those countries and didn't let the people there any way to make a voice. Even today you can see the HUGE different of that. West Europe is way more advanced then East Europe (who are catching it up quickly I must say). Even in Germany where the great wall was, there are yet different between East and West.

God, Just watch South Korea, one of the most advanced countries in East Asia, and watch North Korea. Without USA we wouldn't have StarCraft tournaments there! :-P but really, just see what could happen without USA.

Now for the countries that you mentioned, ill specific two who are like you said, A TNT keg that are going to explode. I can understand Americans who are against the war in Iraq. Its a problematic war cause of the death toll and probably the doubt that its really have anything to do with US security. Tho, If you think Iraq was better before USA was there, you need to learn history.
Also, to blame USA for whats going on there is totally stupidity. Iraq could be like Dubai, like Saudi Arabia (even tho they are also tyrants, but their leaders don't kill millions for nothing and war everything around them). What makes USA to stay in Iraq? the people who kill civilians in Iraq are mostly terrorists, Islamic terrorists. Blame them, not the USA. There is no justification to fucking bomb people who just live their life in the streets.

Yugoslavia had a very brutal war, do you even sorry that Clinton decided to act there? I really don't get it.

The wars in Africa could be solved if people actually cared. In the UN there is a refugee organization called UNRWA, but not really something that care about the most problematic refugee problem in the world (Africa). Most of the condemns in the UN security commission are against Israel. Let me tell you a secret: the Israel - Arab conflict is one of the smallest conflicts in the world for the past 60 years, in any world scale. Why do you still keep earing about it and the Palestinians get huge amount of support from Arab nations and West countries? Because the Arab lobby and the Public opinion. How can Israel be fault of human crime violations from countries that doesn't even have human right laws?! its just simply pathetic to see people in the west who are actually support those who don't even give a shit about their liberal opinions. Most of the African (and world) conflicts are involving Muslims killing others. Just check the reports, I'm not suffering from Islamphobia, read the books (the clash of civilization for example). Why would the rich and strong Arab lobby would critic themselves or the Islamic groups if we got Jewish Zionists who kill Poor Palestinians terrorists
The best way to keep the stupid people mind out of their own tyrant corrupt government.

Also I am quite aware that without the US Isreal wouldn't exist. But could you honestly say they did the world a huge favor by creating and supporting it? Ever since Isreal was formed its been quite unstable (to say the least) in the middle east and the arabic world might not have been as hostile towards the US if they didn't support you.
Before half the forum attacks me for that last part. I know enough about the history of isreal that I know that it wasn't the US that said "here you go, you can be a country now" but that it rather was isreal declaring themselves independant and then got support of the US and great britian. Also I'm not saying it would have been better if the state of isreal didn't exist but its quite clear that it hasn't made the middle east a quieter place.

You should reread your history books. Before the state of Israel, tell me what was here in Israel? THERE WAS NOT A PALESTINIAN NATION. In fact, the origin of the name "Palestinian" was made be the Greeks to remove the belonging of the Jewish people who were sitting in Israel.
The Palestinians who you see now fighting for their country, were simply some tribes who sat here after traveling from other Arab nations. The Palestinians who are Refugees, are mostly those who left their homes in 1948, after the Arabs declared war when Israel declared Independent (after the UN vote for two countries, someone didn't accept it, guess who). So, the Arab leaders who were here, told them to leave the homes till they win the war, but they lost, and now they want to go back to the cities.

Israel is exist because dumb fuck anti-semitic people (which are a lot in the world). Almost every Jewish man who live here is protected from Christians and Muslims from all around the world (and somehow, a refugee in Israel). Do you have better solution for Jews who got butchered in Arab countries, Europe and Russia? The terrorists believe in Hitler way, and in Israel we actually got power to fight back (and again, thanks to USA, Europe and other nations who do understand that).

[Cops]

i don't get it.

Give you something to avoid the real problem thus creating more problems, it's like trying to quit heroin by smoking meth. Instead of using the money they're giving out the government thinks that the people's need for beer and TVs is more important than actually investing the money into things will benefit the people in the long run.

The U.S government has probably just pushed up alcohol sales by at least 30% by giving people this money.

Also I am quite aware that without the US Isreal wouldn't exist. But could you honestly say they did the world a huge favor by creating and supporting it?

man you just told an Israeli that maybe he should re-think his independence and need to be a country...

[genocidal]

The country will be saved by another democrat only to lose its shit 8 years later to another Republican because the south loves Neo-Cons. Isn't this how the American Empire works? Let me know how that stimulus pack is coming.

Terrible.

[Cops]

Terrible.

I knew my anti-south rhetoric would piss you off, but come on man the south states aren't retarded but they generally vote in people who fucking ruin the country. I wish the average North American (I'm in the same boat) gave a fuck about their country and who they elected to lead it. This two party system has got to fucking go.

[FarScape]

I think he said terrible because that what usually happen. :fear:

[Cops]

I think he said terrible because that what usually happen. :fear:

It sucks because there's a lot of cool intelligent people that live in the south who get categorized as a bunch of hicks. I think gen addressed this issue previously, although from a voting stance they vote terrible even when time warrants change.