Barack Obama wins the Democratic Nomination

[Heroin Bob]

OBAMA SAYSSSSS CHANGEEEEEEEE GIVE HIM YOUR CHAANNNGEEEEEEEE



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hes looking for handouts

[Gripe]

OBAMA SAYSSSSS CHANGEEEEEEEE GIVE HIM YOUR CHAANNNGEEEEEEEE



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hes looking for handouts

Typical democrat slime, THEY SHOULD ALL MOVE TO CANADA, I HEAR THE WEATHER IS NICE.

[Cops]

Regardless if Jerome, Izor and Squeezer are right backing Izor when he calls countries 'pissant' is bullshit. Plus per capita as in the average person doesn't really give that much. I'd also realize that The Netherlands as well as aid giving countries like Canada have a dense population, so on average we do give more.

It's like if every person in Canada gave $20 to a chairty and you gave $1, it'd still be the same amount of money even though per capita (ie per person) we gave more than you. This is where a lot of animosity stems from, people including myself generally believe that it's ridiculous for nation such as America to say its a leader in aid when they're population is twenty times the size of Canada and close to forty times the size of The Netherlands.

[Scoop]

Oh man. If he gets elected we'll have another bum at the white house begging for change.

[Cops]

yeah because those republican presidents don't know anything about borrowing immaculate amounts of money, they also don't know anything about debt.

edit: regardless of your political, religious, and other views it's undeniable that a Democrat was the reason your country did so well economically in the 90's, and more so that a Republican over the past 7 years has crippled your economy, forced people out of their homes and taken a country that had a surplus and forced it into huge amounts of debt. So even if you bleed red and don't agree with a lot of what the Democrats believe in it's almost frivolous to think that another pro-war Republican can save your economy.

[Squeezer]

due to the small size of its foreign aid programme relative to the size of its economy

ta da! There it is. Your economy is simply not relative to ours. Therefore you may put out more per person, but when it comes to aid in GDP, the United states shits on your country.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top...r-aid-map.html

On that handy little map it says the US doles out about 12.9 billion each year. The Netherlands gives about 3.4 million (still pretty sizable, but again...Not comparable). Yes, that's right we give out almost four times the amount of foreign aid that you do per year.

So congrats, you're people are more generous on a person to person leve but we're still the foreign aid crutch for the world.

[Kolar]

What are you two trying to prove here?

[Cops]

Imagine if you actually put up the same amount of money per capita that we do, then I think people would be willing to say 'yeah America is a leader in giving aid'. Talking down to countries and belittling their efforts not only highlights the fact that the world community believes that America does-not give enough aid, it's the same issue with Japan but it also pisses everyone off. At the end of the day you can look at it like this, giving aid isn't relative to how much your neighbor gave but it is relative to how much on each person contributed. I think that's why the international community puts pressure on America, because they believe there is room for them to give more. I'm not saying you guys don't do a lot but I think the idea is that if we can give 'this much', so why can't you?

I think we should cut the chord on this pre-argument before it becomes an argument, America does give a lot of money and aid to countries but if you believe per person you're doing a lot more than other countries then that is clearly not true.

[Squeezer]

Imagine if you actually put up the same amount of money per capita that we do, then I think people would be willing to say 'yeah America is a leader in giving aid'. Talking down to countries and belittling their efforts not only highlights the fact that the world community believes that America does-not give enough aid, it's the same issue with Japan but it also pisses everyone off. At the end of the day you can look at it like this, giving aid isn't relative to how much your neighbor gave but it is relative to how much on each person contributed. I think that's why the international community puts pressure on America, because they believe there is room for them to give more. I'm not saying you guys don't do a lot but I think the idea is that if we can give 'this much', so why can't you?

I think we should cut the chord on this pre-argument before it becomes an argument, America does give a lot of money and aid to countries but if you believe per person you're doing a lot more than other countries then that is clearly not true.

We give ten times the amount per year that you do. I'm not belittling anyone, but we give more aid than any other country in the world. That's all I'm arguing. I believe this should allow us bases in certain areas of the world. Apparently others disagree.

edit: And fuck that noise. We're less generous on a person to person level? So what? We're still giving more aid than anyone.

doubleedit: And you say the world is pissed off at America and Japan for the lack of foreign aid we're supposedly not providing, but if you look at the map I provided you'll see otherwise. US + Japan (the top two donors, in terms of sheer amount) adds up to about 22.1 billion. The other 8 countries? 26.7 billion.

So sure, you're money may be better represented in the populace, but do you think that matters to someone who needs aid? What matters is who provides the most and as I just showed above, the US and Japan far and away give out more (in terms of GDP) than almost all the other major players combined.

[Kolar]

Per Capita does not mean that your average US citizen does not donate as much as in other countries, that's a completely different issue of Non-Governmental and private aid spending. It may be more, a lot more but on a level of sustainability and what should be given in relation to the rest of the world and your economic standing it appears to be below the standard.

As for having US bases outside of the North American continent I don't want to speak for Galleleo, NATO should have the ability to deploy around the world and that means having military assets stationed in different areas. That said I think we can agree that military spending and priorities of the United States should be put to better use.

[Galleleo]

but when it comes to aid in GDP

Here ya go:

#6 Netherlands: 0.032 per $100
#19 United Kingdom: 0.008 per $100

[Squeezer]

Per Capita does not mean that your average US citizen does not donate as much as in other countries, that's a completely different issue of Non-Governmental and private aid spending. It may be more, a lot more but on a level of sustainability and what should be given in relation to the rest of the world and your economic standing it appears to be below the standard.

That seems more conceited than anything I've said. Who determines exactly how much we're supposed to give? We're already giving more than anyone by a large margin.

The other thing you brought up which I forgot is private donation. Bill Gates alone could overpower the amount of aid which some countries donate.

I'm not trying to preach a non-cooperative message but you guys seem really butthurt and almost in denial (Gal) that the US is the dominant aid force in this world.

And yes, we definitely need to keep better track of our military spending -_-

[Squeezer]

Here ya go:

Alright fine. I'm going to make this very clear for you since you don't seem to understand.

The United States, as an institution and not just a body of people, gives more foreign aid in plain ol' numbers than any other country in the world.

[Galleleo]

I am not in Denial that you spend the most money, but its not something to be so proud about when you think about 600+ million vs. 16 million. Fuck, if we even came close to your total amount of aid given, you should be very, very, very ashamed.

I linked you to a perfectly good article clearly stating that when compared to others around the world you compare shitty to a lot of nations. Now guess why research like that isn't done in absolutes but people take into account the number of people living in a country and stuff?

What you are doing now, is being Usain Bolt and going to a guy with 1 leg: haha, I have run faster than you on the 100 metres. Ok, maybe relatively you may have been faster on the 100 meters taking into account that you only have 1 leg, but in absolutes I was faster, take that fucker.

Thing is, the US likes to call itself the Nr. 1 world power, best economy, best this, best that. And then you come bragging about giving the most aid, while in relation to other countries, you are just slacking off, rather putting all that awesome money off yours in fighting useless wars.

[Cops]

I think you're missing the point. If we're giving dollars and you're giving nickels then excuse me if I honestly do not believe you're a champ at giving financial aid. Like I said before you guys do give 'a lot', but per capita you're at the back of list.

It's like saying a guy who has a hundred oranges that gives away five of those is some how more generous than a guy who has two oranges and gives away one of those. The guy with a hundred oranges only donated 5% of his food where are the guy with two oranges donated 50% of his food.

However, I'm not stepping into the argument about foreign bases other than the one comment I made about Iraq. I'd rather steer right fucking clear of that argument given the maturity of this forum.