TW Staff as U.S Gov't w/ special guests

[Dabram]

I hear you bram, the sport is really struggling right now with all the doping, the witchhunt on the cyclers and the lack of personalities. For me this year really sucks because I cant watch any of it live due to my housing cooperative replacing eurosport with a swedish sport channel. Sure I get more football now (this channel have rights to swedish and spanish league) but I miss my summer cycling eurosport show all 3 major races damnit!

aye that sucks.

i'm lucky to recieve a few belgian channels, belgians (especially those from flanders) looove their cycling; they broadcast even more races than dutch telly. also their commentary is 10 times better; knowledge, witty and a lot of facts-no-one-cares-about. i usually don't like the eurosport commentary, such little knowhow about the sports imo (maybe that's just the dutch commentary)..

then again i can hardly watch any football or any sports really.. bleh

ps. why are ppl discussing bush/iraq/bin laden/delectable in here? jeez..

[Epinephrine]

We'll chalk our relationship up to facebook.

omg scandal

[Aquatiq]

omg scandal

panda scandal

[TagMor]

way to jump on his post without jumping on Lame's post. He basically said that Bin Laden is fighting for democracy... You think a guy that's richer than Bush's whole cabinet and trains people to commit suicide doesn't have a political agenda? sheesh.

lame is either trying to be funny or is mentally deficient.

In no way do I think that we should be doing any of the things that you've mentioned, but that doesn't mean that we aren't the lesser of two evils right now.

In terms of volume of carnage I would have to disagree.

And for your "facts": I'm sure Saddam kept immaculate records of all the people that have died due to political reasons during his reign. I'm equally sure that we can correctly identify dead "civilians" and their nationality.

The U.N has been watching him for 30 odd years

And we wouldn't bomb hospitals and other public places if it wasn't know that Saddam hid weapons and soldiers in these places, purposfully putting his own people at risk. What a nice guy.

The death toll of U.S troops would suggest a similair disposition.

And Bin Laden's not trying to liberate anyone... terrorists don't fight to liberate.. they fight to instill fear in their enemies and undermine institutions...

How do you know the insurgents are all related to Al Quada? Many would argue there is a growing amount of Iraqi citizens who are merily defending their (perception of) freedom.
The I.R.A were labelled "terrorists" by the British government.. doesnt make it so.

You should all find and watch "In The Shadow of The Palms: Iraq" by

Wayne Coles Janess. Its a doco that documents life in Iraq before and after the U.S occupation.

[Kolar]

ter·ror·ism Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm]
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

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Al Qaeda represents 7% of the insurgency currently operating in Iraq.
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[roxxkatt]

to anyone that didnt read:
all of you are racist and love george bush, now stfu

[Lame]

You are an idiot if you think people just blow themselves up without having an ideology. Just the creation of Israel is controversial itself and arranged by Western Countries. And yes Israelian authorities use control mechanisms on Palestinians you don't read about in the newspaper. I don't say blowing up innocents is rightful, nor do I applaud it. I am just saying there are 100 sides to such a problem. If you fail to see that and look at things in a simple way, then you are short sighted. And as far as Bin Laden concerned: he was used as in instrument to be a Che Guevera in the middle east under the label bringing democracy, not just in Afghanistan, but it was only about spreading US influence in the middle east for oil.

Btw: didn't the US just attack IRAQ? didn't 'we' invade Afghanistan? Who are we to determine which government is allowed in those countries and which government is not? Didn't US try to wipe out Fidel Castro for years? Didn't the US drop an atombomb on Hiroshima? Aren't innocent civilians being tortured in Guantanomo Bay? - or however you spell it- Tell me, what's the definition of a terrorist?

[Lizard Fuel]

This was suppose to be a joke, don't take it so seriously. If you want to debate about Iraq and terrorism, why not just create a thread about it, I would imagine it would receive a ton of input, plus Im one of only 2 people (that I know of) that would know first hand in this zone (geio being the other), so I'd like to offer my 2 cents too. On topic, I'd say Kolar is Hanz Blix, the subspace equivalent to a U.N. appointed weapons inspector, heavily mocked by the rest of the world for his uselessness

[HateTheFake]

This was suppose to be a joke, don't take it so seriously. If you want to debate about Iraq and terrorism, why not just create a thread about it, I would imagine it would receive a ton of input, plus Im one of only 2 people (that I know of) that would know first hand in this zone (geio being the other), so I'd like to offer my 2 cents too. On topic, I'd say Kolar is Hanz Blix, the subspace equivalent to a U.N. appointed weapons inspector, heavily mocked by the rest of the world for his uselessness

i believe theres more then just you 2

izor ect

[Kolar]

On topic, I'd say Kolar is Hanz Blix, the subspace equivalent to a U.N. appointed weapons inspector, heavily mocked by the rest of the world for his uselessness

Hans Blix. And yes useless for finding no WMDs (and having the foresight to go kicking and screaming into the Iraq War). Very smart line of thinking there Lizard. You are TW's Tom DeLay.

Edit: The reason the word terrorism might be harder to define is because of the preemptive and interventionist military operations of traditionally legitimate nations. Terrorism is the use of violence, force and threat to obtain any sort of political, social or religiously based goal. What we're doing there and in Afghanistan isn't peace keeping. In fact Afghanistan is an extreme shift away from at least Canadian foreign policy post WW2, not American foreign policy though.

[Heroin Bob]

man i was hoping for a bash on staff


then i realized it is a bash on goddess that i missed

oh well

here goes


GODDESSSS ZOMG YOU FAT FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!! PUT DOWN THE DORITOS THEY ARE SERIOUSLY CHEESEY AND GOING STR8 TO THOSE ELEPHANT TUSKS YOU LIKE TO CALL THIGHS!!!!!!

[Heroin Bob]

Hans Blix. And yes useless for finding no WMDs (and having the foresight to go kicking and screaming into the Iraq War). Very smart line of thinking there Lizard. You are TW's Tom DeLay.

Edit: The reason the word terrorism might be harder to define is because of the preemptive and interventionist military operations of traditionally legitimate nations. Terrorism is the use of violence, force and threat to obtain any sort of political, social or religiously based goal. What we're doing there and in Afghanistan isn't peace keeping. In fact Afghanistan is an extreme shift away from at least Canadian foreign policy post WW2, not American foreign policy though.

wouldn't terrorism be easier to describe as just inciting fear? thanks that was words shorter and not directed to one war in specific in efforts to sound euro smart

[Nickname]

We'll chalk our relationship up to facebook.

it's okay, I know that you left me. I'm just too good, it's overpowering...It's my fault, really.

[Mantra-Slider]

On topic, I'd say Kolar is Hanz Blix, the subspace equivalent to a U.N. appointed weapons inspector, heavily mocked by the rest of the world for his uselessness

I wasnt gonna comment on anything of this crap but this is too funny. are you seriously retarded Lizard Fuel?

[FarScape]

didn't the US just attack IRAQ? didn't 'we' invade Afghanistan? Who are we to determine which government is allowed in those countries and which government is not? Didn't US try to wipe out Fidel Castro for years? Didn't the US drop an atombomb on Hiroshima? Aren't innocent civilians being tortured in Guantanomo Bay? - or however you spell it- Tell me, what's the definition of a terrorist?

1) Iraq caused a lot of troubles, tried to get in the past nuclear weapons, Terrorize nations around her and support funding terror groups. I mean, Saddam did it, he deserved to die. by the way, most of the deaths in Iraq are not from Arabs killing Arabs? Shi'ites versus Sunnis ?

2) Afghanistan was claimed by US to be the home of Al-Qaeda no? So after the 11/9, what would you do? let the taliban stay and support terror groups to do more actions like that, or fight against it? maybe make a peace agreement no? :-P

3) USA want stability. They have allies and interest around the world. US disliked Cuba and Fidel, for example, because he was communist who supported the soviet and you know about the big missile crisis that was there no?

By the way, your claim is pretty retarded:
"Who are we to determine which government is allowed in those countries and which government is not?"

Maybe if Europe could determine that Hitler was dangerous to the safe of Europe, they wouldn't allow him to rise an army and give up so easily to his claims. Do you think the west should wait till a regime like Saddam, should develop atomic bomb and blast some country, before you take actions against him?

4) How many people died in both of the WW in Europe? you don't need a nuclear blast to kill thousands to millions.

5) Now a comment about democracy that bin laden fight for. tell me, you ignorant, in which Arab country you got democracy?
Thanks for your answer.