the death penalty

[gran guerrero]

There's nothing like coke.

r u srs? or jk?

I have a response to both.

[DankNuggets]

There's nothing like coke.

meth? the poor man's coke


(but i'd wouldn't go much harder than coke)

[gran guerrero]

1. Why not?
2. There is a huge difference between the drugs you listed and marijuana.

don't even try, they don't listen

[The Hawk]

lets legalize meth, crack, and heroin while we are at it! HOORAY!

1. Why not?
2. There is a huge difference between the drugs you listed and marijuana.

[Heroin Bob]

where are you getting this agenda?

do you really think it will be harder or more expensive for you get get weed if it's legal? You could grow your own ffs.

but if it's decriminalized, you could still be fined for smoking/buying/growing weed. it's still illegal, it just isn't a criminal offense (civil i believe).

not to mention it addresses the root of the issue, which is that the gov't shouldn't be telling you what to smoke and what not to smoke. decriminalization doesn't change anyone's outlook, whereas legalization might convince people who think it's bad or wrong simply because it's illegal.

lets legalize meth, crack, and heroin while we are at it! HOORAY!

[Money]

true dat

[FarScape]

There's nothing like coke.

[Galleleo]

Its illegal in de Netherlands, but its being gedoogd as we call it in Dutch. The system is actually pretty weird, because growing weed and selling it to cofeeshops is illegal and if they catch you you will go to prison. But if you are smoking weed or carrying a small bag of weed they wont do anything about it. I am not exactly sure on the rules of weed usage, like if you cant use it on the streets but only in coffeeshops or at home or something. But, it is kind of a weird situation.

[gran guerrero]

where are you getting this agenda?

do you really think it will be harder or more expensive for you get get weed if it's legal? You could grow your own ffs.

but if it's decriminalized, you could still be fined for smoking/buying/growing weed. it's still illegal, it just isn't a criminal offense (civil i believe).

not to mention it addresses the root of the issue, which is that the gov't shouldn't be telling you what to smoke and what not to smoke. decriminalization doesn't change anyone's outlook, whereas legalization might convince people who think it's bad or wrong simply because it's illegal.

it's actually illegal in amsterdam, they have a decriminalized viewpoint on the matter. I think it works either way really.

[Money]

excuse me? no one goes to jail for simple marijuana possession? ROFL? ok tell that to the 1500+ sitting in harris county jail right now for having nore more than a blunt to a 1/4 oz, its a misdemeanor and they do take u to jail. if its ur first offense its $500 bond and they suspend your DL for one year, in ALL cases. 2nd and 3rd offenses are diff..so unless u have over 2oz's in texas its a misdemeanor

so yea the jails ARE over crowded for simple marijuana charges and no i was not joking i dont know what fairy faggot land you live in but in the real world, this ^ is what happens.

[Vehicle]

Money, while I have a feeling you were joking: no one goes to jail for simple marijuana possession and very few people go to jail for distribution. There is generally another, more serious charge, tagged onto the marijuana charge (or the opposite actually, the weed is tagged onto the other offense.)

With that being said: VOTE YES ON QUESTION 2 MASSACHUSETTS RESIDENTS!

[DankNuggets]

solution to overcrowded prisons and jails: decriminalize marijuana

NOT LEGALIZE.

where are you getting this agenda?

do you really think it will be harder or more expensive for you get get weed if it's legal? You could grow your own ffs.

but if it's decriminalized, you could still be fined for smoking/buying/growing weed. it's still illegal, it just isn't a criminal offense (civil i believe).

not to mention it addresses the root of the issue, which is that the gov't shouldn't be telling you what to smoke and what not to smoke. decriminalization doesn't change anyone's outlook, whereas legalization might convince people who think it's bad or wrong simply because it's illegal.

[DankNuggets]

It's definitely cheaper to put an immate in jail for life than to go through the appeals proccess for a death penalty case -- even in Texas, where i'm sure they push them along pretty quickly. That said, it'll still take 10+ years for them to see the death chamber.


I'm for the death penalty in extreme cases. We have WAYYY better tools to figure out whether people actually committed crimes. We don't just go on forced confessions for capital crimes anymore. DNA has exonerated many many people from death row, so I'm inclined to believe that even though innocent people do get on death row, it doesn't happen anymore (and plus, like many have said life in prison might be worse than death, even for an innocent person).

Still, I'd only like to see it used in extremely bad crimes. Crimes that involve kidnapping/rape/murder/children/serial killers. some times it might be worth it to the state or the victims to spend the extra million dollars to kill an immate.

[Money]

solution to overcrowded prisons and jails: decriminalize marijuana

NOT LEGALIZE.

[Vehicle]

I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet, but the Supreme Court in the USA decided today (5-4 decision with Souter being the swinger) that no one can be executed unless they commit murder. Somewhere in the South, I don't remember where, they were trying to kill a guy for raping his 7 year old step-daughter.

Just thought it was worth mentioning as it is applicable to this discussion.

My personal opinion: the death penalty shouldn't even be discussed until we fix the prison system.

What we have in place now is by no means rehabilitory. Most prisons in the country are overcrowded leading to more violent crime. Most offenders who go to prison will be back within a year. There's very little effort to rehabilitate these people with anything other than perscription medicine. Overall: we're simply holding these people who are unfit for society (whether because they're murderers, rapists, whatever,) but the places we put them are hot beds of violence which, as logic would argue, only increases the likelyhood that they will commit another violent act once out of prison.

The shit's fucked up, the death penalty is fucked up, but when there's a prison in Texas made completely out of tents because there is no where else to put these people: what the fuck do you expect?