Bible the word of god?

[genocidal]

I never said people liked me, but they are forced to respect me because most of my points can't be disputed.

You're only kidding yourself here, son. We all get it: you think you're all-American boy defending a dying American livelihood through your ignorance, bitterness, and racism.

You see Liberalism is much like aids and the way it affects the human body, when it enters the body, it doesn't do anything in particular, but slowly it starts to attack your body. It leaves you more vulnerable to opportunistic diseases and sicknesses. Liberalism is the same way, it enters your body as an idea, and although it doesn't do anything, it leaves you more open to the notion of accepting the sickest and most degenerate of our nations people and ideals such as homosexuality, only in a society like this one, such as the one the liberal educational system of fairness can someone who wishes to turn America into Communism after every life we have lost trying to fight it back in the world possibly be elected to our highest position.

You type mindless vitriol like this and expect people to not only take you seriously but respect you? Are you fucking kidding? Liberalism=AIDS?

Why don't you research the documents that the America you purport to love came from. I think you might make the disturbing discovery that it's from a bunch of liberals. Hopefully this drives you to commit suicide, as I'm sure the world will be better off without you (plus that illegal immigrant flips burgers faster than you anyway).

[Displaced]

and I personally will NEVER tolerate a group from any other country coming to America and telling me what is right and wrong.

In that case you should just stfu and start taking orders from the descendants of Geronimo...

[Zerzera]

I never said people liked me, but they are forced to respect me because most of my points can't be disputed. Also I don't think anyone repsects me for re-posting pages of materal from a McCain website. What I believe in isn't from a website, what I believe in came long before McCain was running for president, what I believe in comes from my grandfather who was raised in the bare post-depression era, fought in ww2, and truly knew what it meant to be an American. America today isn't what it once was, and probably never will again. Liberalism and Pro-Muslim sentiment has crept into the hearts and minds of main stream America through worthless organizations such as CAIR, ACORN, and the ACLU. Through acting on behalf of citizens of other countries who REFUSE to adapt to American society. So there are ignorant trash like you in the world now, people who scream racism because I think that illegal immigrants in our country, getting our jobs that should be forced on welfare recipients and sending our money back to their home country is fine. We have pussies like you, someone who probably agrees that because a white kid and an Arab kid get into a fight that it was obviously racism, and that CAIR the pro-terrorist organization should come be allowed to speak to an assembled student body about how "the qur'an is THE holy scripture of the Muslims while the bible is just the scripture of Christians.

You see Liberalism is much like aids and the way it affects the human body, when it enters the body, it doesn't do anything in particular, but slowly it starts to attack your body. It leaves you more vulnerable to opportunistic diseases and sicknesses. Liberalism is the same way, it enters your body as an idea, and although it doesn't do anything, it leaves you more open to the notion of accepting the sickest and most degenerate of our nations people and ideals such as homosexuality, only in a society like this one, such as the one the liberal educational system of fairness can someone who wishes to turn America into Communism after every life we have lost trying to fight it back in the world possibly be elected to our highest position.

Perhaps you should understand the sacrifices of this nation, and really have a look and what this nation was built on before you decide to talk the politics of this nation with me, and before you start to call me a racist you should really take a look at the law on immigration in America because all I want to do is follow our laws and kick out all the illegal immigrants who are in my country ILLEGALLY. You are just a spineless worthless degenerate who has grown up thinking that fair is always right, when the opposite is what really comprises a man and makes him better. Life isn't fair, and I personally will NEVER tolerate a group from any other country coming to America and telling me what is right and wrong.

Okay dude, will you then shut the fuck up and pay back the loans your conservative presidents got from Japan, China and about everyone else in the world that isn't a proud American.

PS: Jesus isn't American.

[kthx]

Of course the three liberal stooges are going to disagree with me, but I guarantee there are those who see my point at the same time. Liberalism is a disease, much like in Rome, homosexuality in society marks the end of society for a group of people. I have genocides looking through his dictionary trying to insult me with words that still aren't very impressive, displaced wants me to give the country back to the wild Injuns, and Zerzera tells me Jesus isn't American, such insight and wisdom from these three degenerate liberal douches. Basically no matter what any of these guys say, on their death bed, the last thing they will do, is reach out towards a religion and probably god considering that they have all at once heard of or at least been around god.

[Galleleo]

And on Friday Evenings Wark burns crosses wearing a white hood.

And Paul, I might have misinterpreted what you said so what I said doesnt apply to your case, but it still applies in general. Both ways, not just for Christians or whatever, also for people like MHz.

[Pressure Drop]

There are some good moral stories in the bible certainly but there are those who take everything literally from it and it’s more than just a book, and this was aimed more at them.

The Codex, probably the oldest Bible we have, also has books which are missing from the Authorised Version that most Christians are familiar with today - and it does not have crucial verses relating to the Resurrection.

So why would the oldest bible ,which should be the one least corrupted by the scholars transcribing and translating it, not have crucial verses about the resurrection and extra books?

To these people, doesn’t that seem odd? Doesn’t that raise more questions about believing in things like evolution is untrue and everything was created perfectly by god, that sciences dating methods could be true because perhaps the earth wasn’t created 5000 years ago ??



I’ve met people telling me that the earth is 5000 years old and evolution doesn’t exist because the bible says so. NO OTHER REASONING. I’m no bible expert but I’m pretty sure the bible doesn’t say that but it’s some evangelical preacher telling them that. Either way it doesn’t matter cause they are believing a 2000 year old book over the latest scientific consensus. There is a world of misinformation and propaganda being spread by well funded religious extremes to the point intelligent design was brought to U.S. courts …

So though it’s easy to say that religious views should be tolerated (something I’m for in most religious people I’ve met) it’s easy to take that too far to people preaching on the street, targeting the vulnerable and sending missionaries to poorer countries to help “and brainwash” the locals or indeed interfere with education because it doesn’t match their religion and that is one of the biggest crimes of all.

I don’t think any of that should be tolerated

[Zerzera]

Of course the three liberal stooges are going to disagree with me, but I guarantee there are those who see my point at the same time. Liberalism is a disease, much like in Rome, homosexuality in society marks the end of society for a group of people. I have genocides looking through his dictionary trying to insult me with words that still aren't very impressive, displaced wants me to give the country back to the wild Injuns, and Zerzera tells me Jesus isn't American, such insight and wisdom from these three degenerate liberal douches. Basically no matter what any of these guys say, on their death bed, the last thing they will do, is reach out towards a religion and probably god considering that they have all at once heard of or at least been around god.

I'm a Christian dude, and I wish I was born as a Jew so I would be one of God's people. But God never preached the pure hatred you preached. I am not to judge you, but I think you are out of touch.

And the group of people (such a vague term you use, you didn't really find the words to make this argument, did you?) never ended, the spirit of Rome is much alive, especially in your society.

[the_paul]

And Paul, I might have misinterpreted what you said so what I said doesnt apply to your case, but it still applies in general. Both ways, not just for Christians or whatever, also for people like MHz.

Fair enough, and definitely agreed. It's true, unfortunately.

To these people, doesn’t that seem odd? Doesn’t that raise more questions about believing in things like evolution is untrue and everything was created perfectly by god, that sciences dating methods could be true because perhaps the earth wasn’t created 5000 years ago ??



I’ve met people telling me that the earth is 5000 years old and evolution doesn’t exist because the bible says so. NO OTHER REASONING. I’m no bible expert but I’m pretty sure the bible doesn’t say that but it’s some evangelical preacher telling them that. Either way it doesn’t matter cause they are believing a 2000 year old book over the latest scientific consensus. There is a world of misinformation and propaganda being spread by well funded religious extremes to the point intelligent design was brought to U.S. courts …

So though it’s easy to say that religious views should be tolerated (something I’m for in most religious people I’ve met) it’s easy to take that too far to people preaching on the street, targeting the vulnerable and sending missionaries to poorer countries to help “and brainwash” the locals or indeed interfere with education because it doesn’t match their religion and that is one of the biggest crimes of all.

First off I'd just like to make sure it's evident that everyone is aware that being a Christian and believing the Earth is 5,000 years old or whatever do not go hand in hand. I'm Christian and I think that's one of the stupidest ideas ever, to just stubbornly count the years mentioned in the Bible, add them up, and claim that to be true. No dispute here, that's seriously moronic. Furthermore, I know missionaries, and I've been on mission trips, and that is never the case with the experiences I've been a part of. It isn't like we go to some country and only give them the food we brought if they all go to Mass and pray in front of us. On these trips there isn't even a whole lot of religious overtones. We go down there usually to do manual labor, sometimes to teach the younger kids some English or something along those lines, just basically community service. I know there are missionary sects that do shove their beliefs down others' throats, but thats a very small minority. It seems like you're judging all Christians/anyone with religious inclinations by the very small, but very publicized, minority.

[Displaced]

your point being what?

technically, noone is invading "your" country, and stealing "your" jobs, as the country wasn't yours to begin with, but whatever floats your boat.

as for being a "degenerate liberal douche", you couldn't be further from the truth...
but if your definition of a liberal is someone that disagrees with you, most everyone must be a degenerate liberal douche... ^-^

[Zerzera]

God is a liberal; He gave us our own will and judgement. The freedom to make mistakes, and only he will be the one to punish us for our sins, not some frustrated American that feeds on the loans of other countries. God didn't give you the land, we took it out of greed.
God didn't hold the hands of the settlers, he didn't talk to them, he didn't tell them what to do.

[Noah]

I personally will NEVER tolerate a group from any other country coming to America and telling me what is right and wrong.

Haha, this is why the world hates USA. In the news I read how you are invading other countries and you are telling them what is right and wrong. On the other hand, I also see plenty of Americans telling other countries to gtfo from your politics. Politics regarding exactly how much you enter other countries telling them what is right and wrong through force. You can even look at how the failed American economy politics is negatively affecting other countries. If you want me out of your politics then prevent political issues in your country from affecting me, and the rest of the world.

[Soilderz]

Haha, this is why the world hates USA. In the news I read how you are invading other countries and you are telling them what is right and wrong. On the other hand, I also see plenty of Americans telling other countries to gtfo from your politics. Politics regarding exactly how much you enter other countries telling them what is right and wrong through force. You can even look at how the failed American economy politics is negatively affecting other countries. If you want me out of your politics then prevent political issues in your country from affecting me, and the rest of the world.

i just wanted people to read this once more!

[Pressure Drop]

First off I'd just like to make sure it's evident that everyone is aware that being a Christian and believing the Earth is 5,000 years old or whatever do not go hand in hand. I'm Christian and I think that's one of the stupidest ideas ever, to just stubbornly count the years mentioned in the Bible, add them up, and claim that to be true. No dispute here, that's seriously moronic. Furthermore, I know missionaries, and I've been on mission trips, and that is never the case with the experiences I've been a part of. It isn't like we go to some country and only give them the food we brought if they all go to Mass and pray in front of us. On these trips there isn't even a whole lot of religious overtones. We go down there usually to do manual labor, sometimes to teach the younger kids some English or something along those lines, just basically community service. I know there are missionary sects that do shove their beliefs down others' throats, but thats a very small minority. It seems like you're judging all Christians/anyone with religious inclinations by the very small, but very publicized, minority.

No actually i'm not, i realise the numbers involved and have looked them up. I worked with 20 ppl in my last work and it was mainly split between catholics and protestants and one born again christian. The catholics where even saying that evolution doesn't rule out god and that they believe in both and it was crazy to believe the Earth was only 5000 years old. yet the born again christian was adamant.

However i also read that the evangelical church is fastly growing and in fact now accounts for the biggest % of religion in america, followed by catholism then protestants.

I don't belive any organised religion has any sort devine merit but in this thread i was trying to point out that the newer more extreme form of Christianity that takes a literal approach to the bible is bollocks when the older versions of the bible doen’t even mention the resurrection which is key to there beliefs.

The catholic church, church of england and church of ireland etc no longer try and discredit dawarnism or science as a whole but the evangelical churches on the other hand try to oppress even teaching evolution in science - there is a hell of a difference between the two.

[Vehicle]

Liberalism and Pro-Muslim sentiment has crept into the hearts and minds of main stream America through worthless organizations such as CAIR, ACORN, and the ACLU.

Please point out our pro-Muslim sentiment.

My evidence of anti-Muslim sentiment:
The state department won't release 17 ethnic Chinese Ughirs (who are Muslim) despite admitting that they pose no threat and further investigation would be a waste of resources
This is from 2005 but the headline reads: Report: Anti-Muslim hate crimes up sharply.

Through acting on behalf of citizens of other countries who REFUSE to adapt to American society.

Who were the first Europeans to come here and settle? The Puritans who were being persecuted for their religious beliefs.

This lead to the establishment of civil liberties such as freedom of speech, expression, and religion.

These rights are given by the Constitution, the highest law of the land. Thus, some of the founding principles of this country were in place to allow people to hold onto their ethnic/religious ties while still assimilating into the community. You could argue they aren't assimilating at all, but what about the millions who marched on Washington to stop immigration reform (a point of contention with you that I'll address further down,) or the fact that in the back of your average non-Zagat rated resturant, there's a lot of immigrants?

Remember the "melting pot" idea everyone's taught in middle school?

So there are ignorant trash like you in the world now, people who scream racism because I think that illegal immigrants in our country, getting our jobs that should be forced on welfare recipients and sending our money back to their home country is fine.

So you're saying that if we deported all of the illegal immigrants their jobs would be quickly scooped up by those who are currently unemployed? So these people collecting checks want to work as dish washers, McDonalds employees, maids, line cooks but they just can't because immigrants already took those jobs? Doubtful.

What's more likely is that immigrants will work for cheaper and bitch a lot less, even though I highly doubt people on unemployment would be scrambling for these jobs.

So, let's say your logic is right, and that if we kick all of the illegal immigrants out the unemployed citizens of this country would take over these jobs. I think we can agree illegal immigrants by-and-large aren't making minimum wage? So you'd have to start paying these people minimum wage, thereby raising the cost for everything from your dinner at Outback Steakhouse to your dry cleaning to your cost per night at a hotel. Somehow I don't think that would make most Americans happy.

(My personal opinion: illegal immigrants are the new slaves of our country, we rely on them in the service sector the same way we relied on black people on cotton plantations.)

We have pussies like you, someone who probably agrees that because a white kid and an Arab kid get into a fight that it was obviously racism, and that CAIR the pro-terrorist organization should come be allowed to speak to an assembled student body about how "the qur'an is THE holy scripture of the Muslims while the bible is just the scripture of Christians.

Can you point to examples of their pro-terrorist activities?

Overblown attempts at hate crime prosecution goes both ways: See Jena 6

And as far as the Koran and Bible debate, all I'm going to say is that the two share a lot of the same stories, language, and people. Albeit by different names.

it leaves you more open to the notion of accepting the sickest and most degenerate of our nations people and ideals such as homosexuality

You sound a lot like the leader of Iran. Are you one of his fans?

Either way, here is a link covering both sides of the nature vs nurture debate in regards to homosexuality. I suggest you read through that and then come back and try to argue that gay people are the "most degenerate of our nations people."

and before you start to call me a racist you should really take a look at the law on immigration in America because all I want to do is follow our laws and kick out all the illegal immigrants who are in my country ILLEGALLY.

It seems your major gripe is that these people are sucking up resources without putting them back into the economy or without paying taxes. Why not offer a path to citizenship then?

Life isn't fair, and I personally will NEVER tolerate a group from any other country coming to America and telling me what is right and wrong.

Noah said it best: "If you want me out of your politics then prevent political issues in your country from affecting me, and the rest of the world."

There you go, I just disputed your points, for better or for worse. I'd be happy if you replied to my points with your own, but please don't just spew your right wing propaganda and instead provide actual examples.

[kthx]

I don't really feel like replying to most of the garbage that was said so I will just stick to one thing that all the other eurotrash agreed on "OH GOD NOAH YOUR SO RIGHT".

"If you want me out of your politics then prevent political issues in your country from affecting me, and the rest of the world."

It's your fucking fault that you got webbed into our politics, you are saying you wish America would keep to themselves however you are advocating "obama" who wants to establish America even more as a UN controlled nation, so which is it? Would you rather America worry about our own culture, our own borders, our own language, if so you would be praying to god that conservative president would be in.

Ok, the melting pot idea works if the people melt, unfortunately we have radical Islamic groups trying to destroy America from the inside out, rotting away young minds with anti American, and pro liberal ideals. We also have illegal immigrants from Mexico raping, murdering, and selling drugs in the streets of our towns in Texas, of course you all are very aware of that living in a border state right? The melting pot idea only works when the ingredients melt together, when there is something hard in it that won't melt then it fails.

No, I am not saying that if all the illegals left our country that welfare recipients and homeless people would jump at the chance to work these shitty jobs, I am saying they should be forced to. Hard working Americans like myself already give them supplemental pay, so forcing these useless people to stop being useless and get paid the same as the illegals pay would be more than enough. Maybe instead of being useless they would say "Hey doing this back breaking labor all day really sucks, maybe I should go back to school and get a real job" which would be even better because then I would have to pay for them to sit around all day drinking their kool-aid and watching TV1.

We do offer a path to citizenship, all you have to do is know a little english and pass a background check and a few tests and you are in. I agree America could be a little quicker about it but that isn't really the point. The people come here and send all their money back home, therefore they do not stimulate the economy at all by working here. I would rather companies be short staffed than hire illegals.

I don't really care what someone thinks about homosexuality, it isn't right, I think that whether you are a bible thumper or a scientist you could pretty clearly stand to reason that two men were never made to be together hence reproduction not being possible. In a nation that was founded under god, homosexuality should be looked badly on, should be seen as a sin, and homosexuals should be disgraced and looked down upon as mentally ill individuals. Unfortunately like I said before when I mentioned that liberalism is like aids, our generation has seen the rise of homosexuality in popular culture with shows like will and grace and the like. Ideas are implanted into our heads that gay people are funny, so people slowly become more comfortable at the idea that it isn't right, and was never meant to be whether we evolved or were created. At least the leader of Iran has the balls to actually say it, and on that point I wish we had a candidate who had balls as heavy as Putin's. Just because these people are terrible dictators doesn't mean that some of the things they say and do wouldn't be better for our country than what our terrible representatives and presidential hopefuls will do.