President Barack Obama

[HateTheFake]

1:Unedited> obama elected, Dow drops 500 points? Discuss

[Deductable]

congrats USA you made the right choice!

[Izor]

His character? I'll concede that before this election I considered McCain to be an upstanding Republican who got shit on from George Bush and his party. He seemed to have the ability to cut through party lines and do what is necessary... and then he started one of the worst smear campaigns I have ever seen. Barack has been called everything from a socialist to a terrorist.

McCain ran a shit campaign and didn't convince anyone he and George Bush had separate policies. Instead of separating himself from Bush he embraced his support. McCain also lost this election heavily by choosing Sarah Palin as his VP. I've seen McCain's character, which is to change himself from being a moderate republican to appeal to the Neo-Conservative base in the Republican party. He probably wouldn't have been as bad as Bush but the McCain I like changed himself to appeal to the extreme right.

edit: As much as I'm happy I'm also in somewhat agreeance with Izor that the Democratic party has way too much power right now. It's fucked that they control all branches of government.

so obama didnt say anything about mccain? How about inaccurately pointing out that McCain was '4 more years of Bush?' McCain wasnt anything near him, but thats what Obama campaigned off of...and all the attacks on Palin. You're forgetting that a ridiculous % of stories about McCain/Palin were negative whereas considerably less were negative on Obama. Who was doing the smearing? Well, of course Obama could take the high road when the media did his dirty work for him. McCain didnt have that luxury

[Salubrious]

His character? I'll concede that before this election I considered McCain to be an upstanding Republican who got shit on from George Bush and his party. He seemed to have the ability to cut through party lines and do what is necessary... and then he started one of the worst smear campaigns I have ever seen. Barack has been called everything from a socialist to a terrorist.

McCain ran a shit campaign and didn't convince anyone he and George Bush had separate policies. Instead of separating himself from Bush he embraced his support. McCain also lost this election heavily by choosing Sarah Palin as his VP. I've seen McCain's character, which is to change himself from being a moderate republican to appeal to the Neo-Conservative base in the Republican party. He probably wouldn't have been as bad as Bush but the McCain I like changed himself to appeal to the extreme right.

edit: As much as I'm happy I'm also in somewhat agreeance with Izor that the Democratic party has way too much power right now. It's fucked that they control all branches of government.

McCain in no way embraced Bush's support. Grouping McCain and Bush together as one entity was done, effectively, by the Obama campaign. And hell who wouldn't, it's not like any of it was untrue, and it worked.

Obama as a terrorist. The only thing I can say about that, is refer to my previous comment about senile rednecked shitsticks actually accusing the guy of such ludicrous "facts", and bandwagonning prepubescent airheads who actually take the accusations seriously (because the opinions of radical dumbasses matter).

And yes, Palin is an idiot. I said that too. Everyone I know has said this. Everyone I don't know has said this. The internet has said this. Her baby is the physical representation and the epitome of this statement.

The Democrats have a majority in the senate, but they don't have a 60 to 40 majority to prevent a filibuster. So pretty much half of the plans and policies Obama plans to put into action will simply die in the Senate before getting passed.

abortion, gay marriage, border control all going to go to crap

In other news, California, while voting overwhelmingly blue, FAILED to rejected Proposition 8, which, if passed (and it did), legally defines a marriage is a contract between two opposite sexes and eliminates the right for gay couples to marry. At least in California, but California's a pretty big state, and San Francisco has a pretty pinkish community. So if it can happen here, it can happen elsewhere.

Now go and flock to your respective sides in pointless debates.

[Summa]

one dies, problem solved.

Well that's not entirely true. JP-Stevens is the oldest one @ 88, and he is one of the most liberal if not the most liberal judge. However I highly doubt he will ever die, the man has the stamina of a 21 yr old still. Then comes RBG who is a liberal at age 75, and my bet to die first (although Scalia is giving her a good run for her money). Next come Scalia and Kennedy at age 72. Scalia being the penultimate conservative and Kennedy being the apparent swing vote (he's conservative on almost everything except abortion). Breyer and Souter are 70 and 69 respectively, both being liberal. Then Thomas, Roberts, and Alito are nowhere close to dying. So the entire liberal part of the court is gettin up there in age, while only 2 conservative judges are, so its not quite as easy as you make it sound. JPS gunna be 96 if its an 8 yr term and still laying the smackdown!!!!!

[Epinephrine]

What I was saying was:

Obama is not that liberal, or that socialistic if you compare him to, for instance, the politicians in the Netherlands. So all you right wingers screaming liberal and socialist, he really isn't.

It's true. Obama is more conservative than any mainstream politician in Canada as well.

In the end, I don't really believe Obama is really that 'Liberal' in reality. His greatest appeal is that he's just a really, really, really smart guy who has a brilliant ability to see every side of an argument, and will hopefully choose a good middle ground.

If you take a look at his foreign policies for example, you will see that Obama doesn't stand for any particular brand of isolationism or interventionalism. He stands for winning the battles that need to be won and that can be won, and not going for the ones that don't need to be won, or cannot be. He chooses by what will work in reality and the best way to do things, rather than following any particular ideology in doing it.

We will see in the next 4 years just how he manages to find consensus and make America a better country. Even though the Democrats have full majorities now, they are not filabuster proof in the senate, and so some concessions need to be made. As well, to prevent the Republicans from regaining control in the next 2-4 years (congressional 2 years, and next presidential elections) the Democrats need to be restrained from going 'too liberal' and Obama will be the one to do it.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

How about inaccurately pointing out that McCain was '4 more years of Bush?'

McCain did nothing to cast the thought of that aside other than just saying "no, I won't be." His voting record speaks volumes, and whatever his voting record didn't say, his campaign/veep pick did.

...and all the attacks on Palin.

Because she's an idiot, dude. I thought you guys could smell your own. Same goes for "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacherramalamadingdong. It's not an "attack" or "gotcha politics" when you open yourself up as looking not-so-bright in a public venue. Joe Biden was caught a few times as well.

Well, of course Obama could take the high road when the media did his dirty work for him. McCain didnt have that luxury

Please. McCain couldn't take the high road because the media wasn't in his corner? Cry me a fucking river. You're telling me he could live through years in a POW camp but somehow couldn't overcome what Sam Donaldson said? Have you SEEN Sam Donaldson?

[Jeenyuss]

It will happen.
I've already said ealier... to which Conc will receive $20 if I am wrong.
It is written... written over 2000 years ago... even before the time of Christ and the prophets of the O.T.. Prophesied by the 7th generation after Adam... i.e. Enoch... (the first of two [Elijah the other] that have walked this earth and never tasted death)

Edit: I would love to be wrong on this.

weren't you positive clinton would win the democratic nomination?

[paradise!]

How long did that take you to edit. LoL amazing how hard some people really try to get a laugh.

[Money]

lol owned

[paradise!]

Great...now were are all fk'd obama prolly supports terrorist...Obama's aunt is a illegal immigrant living in US from Mexico...is she going to get deporter? Of course not...im about to move to isreal :fear:

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[HeavenSent]

How long did that take you to edit. LoL amazing how hard some people really try to get a laugh.

About 5 minutes... I just did an image search on google for a mushroom cloud and pasted it in the picture and copy and pasted the borders.

weren't you positive clinton would win the democratic nomination?

Yes, It seemed pretty obvious back then that Bush Sr. didn't really want to go a second term. He really didn't put very much effort in his campaign to be re-elected. ^-^

BTW, speaking of Bush, Bush Sr.'s dad, Senator Prescott Bush (& Rockefeller) was one of the major suppliers of funds to Hitler during WWII. Money & wealth is like energy; it doesn't die, it's just transferred. During the Great Depression of the 30's when America's economy suffered after what was called 'Black Thursday' in the stock market, America's money was being transferred to Germany to help Hitler build his war machine.

"It was not accidental. It was a carefully contrived occurrence... The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as rulers of us all."
-Rep. Louis T. McFadden (D-PA)

"I think it can hardly be disputed that the statesman and finanaciers of Europe are ready to take almost any means to reacquire rapidly the gold stock which Europe lost to America as the result of World War I."
-Rep. Louis T. McFadden (D-PA) -Feb. 1931

"Actually, it was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World-Money powers triggered by the planned sudden shortage of call money in the New York Money Market."
-Curtis Dall, (in his book: Son-in-Law of FDR)

"The Federal Reserve definately caused the Great depression by contracting the amount of currency in circulation by one-third from 1929 to 1933."
-Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize winning economist

"After WWI, Germany fell into the hands of the German international bankers. Those bankers bought her and they now own her, lock, stock and barrel. They have purchased her industries, they have mortgages on her soil, they control her production, they control all her public utilities. The international German bankers have subsidized the present Government of Germany and they have also supplied every dollar of the money Adolph Hitler has used in his lavish campaign to build up a threat of the government of Bruening. When Bruening fails to obey the orders of the German International Bankers, Hitler is brought forth to scare the Germans into submissions. Through the Federal Reserve Board... over $30 billion of American money... has been pumped ito Germany... You have all heard of the spending that has taken place in Germany... modernistic dwellings, her great planetariums, her gymnasiums, her swimmings pools, her fine public highways, her perfect factories. All this was done on our money. All this was given to Germany through the Federal Reserve Board. The Federal Reserve Board... has pumped so many billions of dollars into Germany that they dare not name the total."
-Rep. Louis McFadden (D-PA)

[Vykromond]

basically none of you talking about the supreme court know the first thing about the supreme court

[Summa]

basically none of you talking about the supreme court know the first thing about the supreme court

way to be specific on your criticisms, and why do you assume our ignorance? I simply stated all of their ages and their usual tendencies. Presumptuous FUK

[Cops]

so obama didnt say anything about mccain? How about inaccurately pointing out that McCain was '4 more years of Bush?' McCain wasnt anything near him, but thats what Obama campaigned off of...and all the attacks on Palin. You're forgetting that a ridiculous % of stories about McCain/Palin were negative whereas considerably less were negative on Obama. Who was doing the smearing? Well, of course Obama could take the high road when the media did his dirty work for him. McCain didnt have that luxury

Why on gods green earth would you accept an endorsement from George Bush? The mans approval rating is how low? The reference of '4 more years of Bush' is a bit outrageous. But you have to realize voting someone in that votes the exact same way someone else does isn't 'change' as Obama put it. Regardless if you wanted that change or not, McCain was more like Bush than Obama was.

I don't want to get into the media fight with you again, cause we've danced around that issue long enough. But what I will say is that the references from the McCain camp were 10 times more widely outrageous than the Obama camp. Neither camp took the high-road, it's politics. However I felt that the attacks on Obama from the McCain camp far surpassed any bullshit the Obama camp put out. Oh and trust me I do know both camps put out their fair share of bull.