Auto Bailout DE-NIED

[kthx]

Kthx is a child both in mind and body who knows nothing of the world that demonstrates sound judgment or independent thought.

If you are going to insult me please use better sentence structure. Thanks.

I guess you also thought that when Reagan fired all those air traffic controllers when they tried to strike during the holidays that it was also just another blow against the poor unions who ask for way too much money for doing close to nothing.

[HateTheFake]

the democrats pushed for the bailout, most republicans didnt vote for it. Which is why it failed the first time.

[Trunks_rage]

The Republicans Agreed to 700 Billion for the financial sector, no questions asked. But scoff at 19 Billion for the auto-industry which provides an actual tangible product and is willing to make drastic sacrifices to survive. This is why the Republican Party lost the election so badly, they have completely given up on competent governance and descended into class warfare, hate-mongering, fiscal disaster, belligerent militarism, and a total lack of respect for the American people.

Kthx is a child both in mind and body who knows nothing of the world that demonstrates sound judgment or independent thought. So I will not reply to anything he says directly as it is a waste of my still relatively valuable time. Denying the auto-industry money is for one purpose and one purpose alone, to destroy the UAW, one of the most powerful unions in the US. Unions overwhelming support the Democratic Party because it supports labor and worker's rights. So in a mean-spirited last effort to exert some influence before the Republicans are relegated to the wasteland of politics for the next two years they will fight to break up one of the strongest wells of support for the Democratic Party. If you read anything else into this you are not looking close enough, because that is all this is about, be it 19 billion, 35 billion or 100 billion, it's just about power and influence and not the plight of average Americans who will lose their jobs and homes, so congrats to the Republican Party for creating a beacon of cynicism that will shine throughout the ages.

[Izor]

im not a liberal or anything, i voted for obama

hahahahahaha we'll see in 4 years how much you love obama

[Money]

Yeah Texas is fine, because we are a conservative state, which is why you can't brag about it as a filthy liberal, Money.

Of course if I had 2 kids and played subspace I would probably want more money from the government also.

oh who has 2 kids LOL

never gotten any money from the government besides the stimulus thing

im not a liberal or anything, i voted for obama cuz i didnt want some old geezer with some cunt who doesnt know shit for a vice president, plain and simple...its kind of like making Sertifi Sysop and Kim head Smod..

[kthx]

Right, because you live in a state that allows drilling off its coast.

If you lived in California, a heavily liberal state that doesn't want drilling on the coast, you would be paying 2.30 a gallon like they do still.

[Money]

i just filled my tank for 1.20/gallon

ez

[Izor]

is this dumbass still talking to me? Of course I'm a winner, I have a steady job that will provide me with enough money to do whatever the hell i need to do, and I have job security. If and when I decide to quit this job, ill just use the skills I now have to land a job in the same field. The difference between my work and the people that I've talked about before is my job takes actual skill to accomplish. It's much harder to replace me than some wrench turner on an assembly line. Thank you.

[kthx]

Yeah have fun paying 2.30 a gallon for gas in California still, Liberal Killer

[LaG KiLLeR]

k the argument of trickle down economics is for a different thread entirely. And, we wont ever agree on it.

L K is your typical idiot. Not everyone in this world can be a winner, son.

And you're a typical self-serving conservative....in fact, you remind me of Corey Maggette of the Golden State Warriors, a player who plays for his own individual stats while waving the middle-finger in the air and says "fuck the team". What does society mean to you?

And I wouldn't say you fit the model of a winner, especially when you brag about your hangovers off 40 ounces of steel reserve lol...but that's another story

[Izor]

k the argument of trickle down economics is for a different thread entirely. And, we wont ever agree on it.

L K is your typical idiot. Not everyone in this world can be a winner, son.

[LaG KiLLeR]

how can you defend the workers for these places..its like the least skilled work you could ever do...if the extent of your skill set is making sure a car gets assembled properly you might as well just expect to never have a steady job.

The point is, someone has to do it....and I'm not solely focusing on automobile companies, I'm talking about the jobs that you may consider "least skilled", etc. Regardless of the fact that there are jobs that require limited intellect to perform specific duties (for example, cashiers at supermarkets), they are needed...someone needs to do it. You should appreciate the fact that there are people who do these jobs, because if there weren't, it could easily be me or you.

If we don't have a basic foundation in our society, we can't grow. If our foundation topples...you can only imagine what else will topple. In terms of the current situation with the 2 million jobs, it's tough to say but keeping the big picture in mind is significant. Will this bailout only stall the inevitable, or will things change? If it's only to stall an inevitable, it's impact is limited and it might as well be dismissed...dunno the exact circumstances so I can't take a side.

But, in terms of life, many things are interconnected and when one thing is affected, another thing is affected...it's the whole domino theory. Some things might be fortunate and out of the "loop", but the majority aren't. So when one big company goes down (or the Big 3 in this case), it's only going to lead to further problems....but maybe it's inevitable...maybe it will be bought out, only time will tell. But, it's scary to know that this is only the beginning of what's to come.

[Epinephrine]

ok, so like i said in every other thread its the same people that DONT believe in trickle down economics that now want to bail out these automakers. And they want to do this because, by giving those companies 14B, they can prolong the inevitable for another 3 months. Does anyone here understand who's paying for that band-aid fix? Does anyone TRULY understand that THEY are paying for this? I dont think so. Maybe instead of worrying so much about the common idiot you'll realize that being so harsh on companies and 'redistributing' is going to put us in these holes in the first place. Now, as far as the big 3 go, when they die and come back they'll lose a lot of the baggage that is slowing them down right now. This will be a painful time for our country, and we'll have to adjust our spending habits/lifestyles, but we will get through it with hard work like we have in the past. A band-aid fix will only prolong what is going to happen

I don't believe in trickle down economics, but I also don't believe in bailout.

Why don't I believe in trickle down economics? Basic human nature. If you give tax breaks to the rich, they will just be richer and horde more money. I think that much is evident by how much vastly wealthier the top 0.1% of the world population is now than 20 years ago thanks to tax shelters and so on, while the bottom 50% has not seen a growth of real income in 20 years.

[Epinephrine]

Yeah Texas is fine, because we are a conservative state, which is why you can't brag about it as a filthy liberal, Money.

Of course if I had 2 kids and played subspace I would probably want more money from the government also.

LOLOLOL

[dads revenge]

This affects more then just the assembly plants as they dont make the parts they are putting together. There are other American companies that make most of the parts for the vehicles that will be hit pretty hard as well. Luckily I work for a company that not only makes OE (original equipment) parts but also covers alot of the aftermarket as well. But some companies like the ones who make the dash boards or the brake assemblies will have to wait and see what happens to thier contracts if there is a buyout.