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[Jerome Scuggs]

cant believe were actually comparing a foreign truck to a domestic truck...jesus christ these kids are dumb

i don't think it breaks down along those lines at all. a good truck is a good truck. toyota's always made decent pickup trucks, and i see more pre-1980's datsuns than I do pre-1980 fords. i'd prefer anything over a ford ranger, the f-150 is a good pickup but the toyota tundra is pretty beast, what with the fuckin' custom headers that come stock and all.

i'm still a fan of my chevy, though. $

[Izor]

cant believe were actually comparing a foreign truck to a domestic truck...jesus christ these kids are dumb

[Jerome Scuggs]

yes, but you have concerns with the chassis, body, etc... in an old toyota, i'm sure it'd have tons of underbody rust, just for starters... they're trucks, and i'm sure routine and regular maintenance isn't a high priority for most truck owners.

[Izor]

why is it risky...takes 100000 miles to break in a diesel engine

[HateTheFake]

One of the reasons the U.S Auto Industry is fucked is the outdated engineering and manufacturing techniques.
THe American car makers have always had a "flexible" quality control system. In the past this has been well disguised by the skill and knowledge of the factories. Due to the changes in employment trends, the incompetent QC systems are being exposed.

There are many reason how they fucked themselves. But not limited to:
1- Oil companies paying off dealers to not produce fuel efficient cars
2- Oil companies buying off patents for fuel efficient engines/vehicles
3- Not foreseeing a trend and anticipating it

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my first vehicle was almost a diesel hilux, but even with a toyota like that, it's risky as fuck buying a decades-old car

I would agree with this. I must admit I am somewhat scared driving my `65 Land Rover around my area due to road congestion...it is meant for off road not urban living. After driving so many years on disc brakes and then back to drums in my area...uhg! Safety concerns are tops on the list as are the problems finding original Lucas parts or aftermarket parts that are reputable, such as brake lines and other specific items if one can find them without having them re-tooled as custom.

I am selling the 1965 Series IIA 88 Rover if there is any interest? Perfect SUV to ride off road!

[Jerome Scuggs]

my first vehicle was almost a diesel hilux, but even with a toyota like that, it's risky as fuck buying a decades-old car

[Galleleo]

The Hilux:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrk6vsb77xk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uc4Ksz3nHM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfZDtC9kjVk

[Jerome Scuggs]

fuck you brah my chevy will last me until death, so like 2-3 more years and that's all i need

[TagMor]

One of the reasons the U.S Auto Industry is fucked is the outdated engineering and manufacturing techniques.
THe American car makers have always had a "flexible" quality control system. In the past this has been well disguised by the skill and knowledge of the factories. Due to the changes in employment trends, the incompetent QC systems are being exposed.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Really, youre saying that the fucking HILUX is a solid workhorse? I worked with these in the desert, and they are inferior to american trucks. Its equivalent to a lesser ranger id say...

put some new axles on an old hilux and it'll go beast mode until the apocalypse.

i hate driving fords... they seem to make the gas pedal really sticky, and the brakes really touchy.

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I am seriously saying that.. we have HILUX's at work, they never break down and are under a lot of abuse.

[Izor]

Really, youre saying that the fucking HILUX is a solid workhorse? I worked with these in the desert, and they are inferior to american trucks. Its equivalent to a lesser ranger id say...

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IIRC it had some kind of sentimental value, it ended up burning in a shed, so wasted project, but nvm.
As for the door, IIRC it was sourced from YearOne, who as far as I understand is widely recognized stateside.

Never heard or would purchase a product from them. Have restored several classic cars and they are not in the top 10 of restoration parts people that I have known in the past 30+ yrs.

Granted, every car maker has its "lemons", but I'd be willing to call some hefty bullshit on that 2001 VW, I used to own a 2002 V5 Golf, I've had no problems with any spares, from any Year Model, be it bootlids from a 2000 or doorcards from a 2001, if a dealer is unable to get the power windows and mirrors working (which are plug and play) I can't imagine them being very good.

Not that the electronics didn't work properly, but the gaps had been terrible. Was unacceptable to me and my insurance company. Reputable Car dealer too...Holberts Porsche Volkswagen. They run in the LeManns and Daytona all the time since the late 60's.

Audi does have other models :turned:

I do believe I mentioned other models..not like they are a Fiat (Fix It Again Tony)

Common fault of pretty much any automatic car in the 70s?

True...it was a common fault for European cars...not American.

I agree that all car manufacturers have had steaming piles of shit, but I can't seriously name one decent car to come out of the US since the late 70s.

Chevy Corvette & Dodge Viper..but now we are talking high performance cars

Misnomer much? you can tow over 3 tonnes with a Cayenne, a Tahoe 4x4 is rated at just under 3 tonnes.... If they manage to break the gearbox, they are probably mistreating their car :P

When was a 914 or 356 a heavy car? These guys race semi-professionally and know there shit...I do not race...I just restore. Cayenne is an overpriced piece of crap...like the non environmentally friendly Tourag...worst emissions ratings of all SUV's.

Before I say this, I'd like to admit that I am a giant hypocrite....

I'm all about buying domestic (US) made vehicles, for the way I see it, every foreign car purchased by an American puts another American out of work. Here's where the hypocritical part comes in....I spent some time selling Toyotas in 2007 and I will share my valuable insiders opinion to any of you looking to buy. I always recommend domestic (unless you are my customer) and always recommend considering "cost of ownership" and not just the "price now". How long do you plan to own the car, how much work do you anticipate having to put into the vehicle in that time frame, how is it with fuel economy, property taxes, etc.

Point of all that was that all the US based auto makers don't really have any good answers to ALL of the criteria. They could have a vehicle get 35 MPG (like a Focus) but rarely last past 100k before its dead forever, or have another vehicle that's really put together well, but gets 12 MPG, bad in the snow, whatever. (Like my charger)

Fuck it, I'm rambling and lost my train of thought, everybody should just own a BMW 5 series.