Auto Bailout DE-NIED

[Squeezer]

The unions screwed this, these labor workers were making and continue to make 89 grand a year starting off. This is a ridiculous amount of money to be giving people. Idk how much more competitive they need to get. At least the military comes up with inventions we use in everyday life.

Prosthetic Limbs
Sonar
Can Opener

5-day work week
8-hour work day
Child labor laws
Wages you can live on
Paid vacations
Paid sick leave
Disability insurance
Worker's Comp.
Retirement plans
Health insurance
Employer paid life insurance

Fucking Unions never gave us anything.

edit: Not saying the UAW isn't stubborn and outdated, only that you should recognize that the reason your professional life is so cushy is because of the effort Unions have made in America's history.

[Trunks_rage]

The average pay for an autoworker is $28 an hour which is a far cry from 89,000 a year. You're using bad statistics Hate the Fake. Entry level wages for the Big Three can be as low as $12 an hour. The scewed statistics that you are using average the payout by dividing it among active workers as opposed to separating for pension funds to the vast number of retirees.

And as for the inventions you're talking about, those are inadvertent discoveries that were originally intended as means of war. The vast amount of government grants that go into research in Universities has much higher bang for your buck in terms of real innovation and technological breakthroughs. So once again it's a misguided sense of perspective.

[HateTheFake]

The unions screwed this, these labor workers were making and continue to make 89 grand a year starting off. This is a ridiculous amount of money to be giving people. Idk how much more competitive they need to get. At least the military comes up with inventions we use in everyday life.

Prosthetic Limbs
Sonar
Can Opener

[Trunks_rage]

The reason we don't want the auto-industry to fail Izor is because it will turn this deep recession into a depression. The last thing you do in an economic crisis is let 250,000 more people get laid off in one giant swoop. Especially working class people that will not have an easy time finding other work and will flood the already diminishing job market for lower wage jobs pushing the truly unskilled labor force completely out of work. The military you speak of depends exclusively on taxpayer dollars, because the military does not create revenue it only eats it up at an alarming rate in the most wasteful fashion imaginable. A report came out just recently on the loss of 100 billion dollars in reconstruction money for Iraq because of the Pentagon's poor planning and execution. Here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/wo...t.html?_r=1&hp

There is an extremely misguided sense of perspective blaming so much on the auto-industry. The financial crisis was caused by predatory lending practices and credit default swaps that spread pernicious amounts of risk into vital economic institution's balance sheets. Where is the lynch mob to take down those bastards in pinstripe suits who walked away from this mess asking for end of the year bonuses? Here:

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstori...46&feedID=1198

I believe all should prosper not just those who are in a position to exploit others. But ever since Reagan there has been this philosophical black hole that has dragged conservative working class people into believing that policies that only benefit the rich are the best for this country. I say emphatically that they are not.

[Izor]

well i thought it would be closer than the polls said (i was right) but i was wrong on how much.

[Squeezer]

hahahahahaha we'll see in 4 years how much you love obama

Remember when you guaranteed a McCain victory and said we'd all be wrong come November?

Because I can't seem to find it

[D1st0rt]

Oh figures, the guy who complains about a 19 million dollar bailout, supports a movement that wasted trillions of dollars on that "WAR ON TERROR" bullshit.

While your conservative leader decides to handle foreign relations in the worst possible way to "secure the world" (or "maximize benefits for the U.S."; kinda ironic huh, given our current state), your Republican administration has single-handedly fucked up the world's economic system.


Continue making useless devices for a military that will hopefully cease to exist in the upcoming age, when people finally grow to understand the importance of unity and peace, and how necessary these values are to the prolonging of humanity.

maybe you should read a book before making such laughable assertions

[LaG KiLLeR]

I've deployed providing comm support for a special forces unit in Afghanistan. We worked a lot of 84 hour weeks seeing as how I was on the clock from 0400 to 1600z every day with MAYBE a half a day on sunday, if mission allowed for it. With the old equipment out there that broke routinely often times that wasnt the case. But you're right, I dont know anything about earning an honest day's pay. Now, my salary isnt 'competitive' and im not complaining about it. Thats because I make enough to live comfortably and I dont need more. People in the auto union make far more than me, and often times theyre doing just as much as I do at my home station (nothing). Why are we all (cause taxpayers ARE the ones paying for the bailout, ill remind you) going to pay for this? At least my salary that taxpayers have to pay for has a purpose when I deploy...these guys will do absolutely nothing for us, except occasionally produce a car that we may or may not even want to buy (in most cases I'd say not)

Oh figures, the guy who complains about a 19 million dollar bailout, supports a movement that wasted trillions of dollars on that "WAR ON TERROR" bullshit.

While your conservative leader decides to handle foreign relations in the worst possible way to "secure the world" (or "maximize benefits for the U.S."; kinda ironic huh, given our current state), your Republican administration has single-handedly fucked up the world's economic system.


Continue making useless devices for a military that will hopefully cease to exist in the upcoming age, when people finally grow to understand the importance of unity and peace, and how necessary these values are to the prolonging of humanity.

[Izor]

you've never worked an honest day's pay in your life

I've deployed providing comm support for a special forces unit in Afghanistan. We worked a lot of 84 hour weeks seeing as how I was on the clock from 0400 to 1600z every day with MAYBE a half a day on sunday, if mission allowed for it. With the old equipment out there that broke routinely often times that wasnt the case. But you're right, I dont know anything about earning an honest day's pay. Now, my salary isnt 'competitive' and im not complaining about it. Thats because I make enough to live comfortably and I dont need more. People in the auto union make far more than me, and often times theyre doing just as much as I do at my home station (nothing). Why are we all (cause taxpayers ARE the ones paying for the bailout, ill remind you) going to pay for this? At least my salary that taxpayers have to pay for has a purpose when I deploy...these guys will do absolutely nothing for us, except occasionally produce a car that we may or may not even want to buy (in most cases I'd say not)

[HateTheFake]

true mcdonalds will then have the 10 dollar menu of either french fries or a medium coke

[Jerome Scuggs]

People deserve respect and a competitive salary no matter what their occupation.

Following this, why don't we raise minimum wage to $50 an hour?

[HateTheFake]

The only union you will be a part of trunks, is a same sex one. Stfu if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

LMAO

[kthx]

The only union you will be a part of trunks, is a same sex one. Stfu if you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[Trunks_rage]

I've said my peace. No reason to repeat it. And I've actually been to union shops before and those people do indeed work very hard at extremely labor intensive jobs. People deserve respect and a competitive salary no matter what their occupation. Just because you've never worked an honest day's pay in your life don't cry over someone that does.

[Izor]

Unions overwhelming support the Democratic Party because it supports labor and worker's rights.

What you mean is "Unions overwhelmingly support the Democratic party because it enables them to get overpaid to do mostly nothing for 8 hours a day and get money that they dont deserve for the skills they bring to the table."