Hamas and Israel

[Kolar]

Israel isn't going to leave Gaza. They're also not going to open up the boarder because they fear Hamas will rebuild and rearm.

[Nycle]

In my initial efforts to understand both sides I ultimately was told I took a side, however I don't feel as though I fully backed one over the other. The problem is that like Kolar said it's getting pretty fucking sad that to even say anything in this thread you first have to throw up the white flag and say "I do't support either side", for what you say regardless of how critical it is to either side will not make someone assume you are bias.

Yea well if you throw around quotes like these:

fuck it

fuck hamas, let's here it for Israel!

Hamas needs to get crushed, plain and simple.

It's not that hard to imagine someone thinking that you're explicitly taking sides, and some will feel the need to attack you in order to 'set things straight', so to speak. I largely agree with you and Kolar on the status of this thread though, you guys always seem to make the big overarching comments no one else has the wording or sense for.

I generally tend to take sides with the weak, but it seems that the 'Palestinian side' is quite strong in this thread, and that's why I'm done with it. I was initially afraid that it was gonna turn out to be totally pro-Israel but now I feel like enough has been said and clarified in order for people to make up their minds and re-affirm or change their stance.

[Edit] Just in: Hamas announces immediate ceasefire. Things are looking better.

[Displaced]

good stuff, lets hope the cease fire holds...

[Jerome Scuggs]

It's interesting to look at the geopolitics at work, and how each side has a bizarre view of the world; each side tries to peddle their story. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, but IMO any sort of real solution would be found by discarding that in favor of reapproaching the problem. To me, it translates into real-world action in the form of trials, for both sides. If the governments of the world are just, then they will hold Israel and Hamas responsible - if anything, murdering civilians.

[Cops]

Yea well if you throw around quotes like these:

The first comment doesn't show signs of bias, the second was sarcasm and the third wad idiotic.

[project dragon]

sigh.

[Epinephrine]

Interesting 60 Minutes report on why peace may be impossible in Israel, from this past Sunday.


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n

[Kolar]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=cznZs-swR9k

[Liquid Blue]

what a tool

[Vatican Assassin]

If anyone wants a good history of British forces clearing Palestine for Jewish settlers here you go, pictures included!

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/n...-a-people.html

[DankNuggets]

so what's happening?

(non-video link responses appreciated)

[gran guerrero]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wv5mwenIvbM