how deep can you think?

[Stompa]

Agreed, how many people do you know that do drugs habitually that aren't fucking retarded?

Most. But most people were fucking retarded to begin with so it's not like drugs made their life any worse.
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I am now going to pretend to be a stoner:

lol so guys like have u ever smoked and vacumed your room i no its crazy but i was vacuuming earlier 2day and realized how great things were once i did it, like the floor was so clean and we take these things for granite every day i thought what if i came back in another life as a vacuum lol but i hope my owner cleans me out often bc have you ever looked inside a vacuum?

[gran guerrero]

sigh didn't want to say anything (damn you ph, I don't see why you got anger with people who smoke weed, when yourself did something as god awful as pcp)

but now I'm getting that itch to rant(I'll try to keep it short)

First off cops, just cause you know some people and yourself that's gone through some messed up times doesn't mean we all are in the same boat.

I hate to drop the Stoner stereotypes but the majority of people I know who smoke on a daily basis, or even once or twice a week have little to no aspirations. Like Paul said, "it doesn't enhance your perceptions, it alters them". People who need drugs to think, relax, or create are failures in my eyes. By relying on a substance to 'be yourself' you become dependant on it, and the sad fact is that you might not really know who you are. Trust me, I've been there before and I would not wish it upon my greatest enemy. Coming off drugs after a substantial period of time is like waking up from a bad dream, but the reality is that it happened and you have to face it. If you have a half a brain you'll wonder one day if you could still write a beautiful story, paint a portrait, or taste food the same way you do when you're high.

this whole post is one big idiotic generalization that is fucking false.
Do you honest to God (or yourself, or satan for all I give a fuck) truely know yourself (I'm sure you can easily say yeah I do), like answer all those great questions that we been wondering when one realizes who they are. When traumatic/philosophical/truthful/life changing epiphanies happens then your like oh fuck me, I really still don't know myself (nor do any of the rest of us jackasses, I'm not saying it's just you, but it's me and that guy and that girl and everyone else). and Food tastes 10x better high so I don't know why you had to add that last bit.

The majority of artists (especially the good/great ones) have been fucking high when they accomplished their pieces of work, whether it be music, painting, poetry, stories, what the fuck ever.

Fuck man, we just had a thread about the most successful pot smokers, and one of them is the first black president (so much for no aspiration)

Just cause you guys seen some idiots doing drugs doesn't mean every other fucking drug user is an idiot. Fucking get over your own psychological problems and let others deal with theirs.

I'll finish this off with a bunch of quotes from the great comedian Bill Hicks;

“If you don't think drugs have done good things for us, then take all of your records, tapes and CD's and burn them.”

“They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.”

“I have never seen two people on pot get in a fight because it is fucking IMPOSSIBLE. "Hey, buddy!" "Hey, what?" "Ummmmmmm...." End of argument.”

“No, I don't do drugs anymore, either. But I'll tell you something about drugs. I used to do drugs, but I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day.”

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

and here's one from bill for the topic of the thread so as not to come off as a troll;

“Life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.”

oh and I posted this sober PH

my drug addled mind forgets to post here when I'm high. In fact maybe when I'm high it's trying to tell my sober side to stop fucking around on these borumz.

[PaulOakenfold]

ffffffffffffffff

[Liquid Blue]

The majority of artists (especially the good/great ones) have been fucking high when they accomplished their pieces of work, whether it be music, painting, poetry, stories, what the fuck ever.

Fuck man, we just had a thread about the most successful pot smokers, and one of them is the first black president (so much for no aspiration)

Please don't get me started on how many artistic geniuses were ruined by drugs; I'll just end up ranting and bitching about how much amazing talent got destroyed through physical addictions that artists thought they needed to tap into their fantastic skills

It's really alot of bullshit, the whole idea that great artists of the past used drugs and they did great shit so it's ok for artists or anyone for that matter to use the shit out of drugs

fuck

[Cops]

sigh didn't want to say anything (damn you ph, I don't see why you got anger with people who smoke weed, when yourself did something as god awful as pcp)

but now I'm getting that itch to rant(I'll try to keep it short)

First off cops, just cause you know some people and yourself that's gone through some messed up times doesn't mean we all are in the same boat.

Oh I completely agree, people are the problem not the actual substance. That said some drugs are more likely to become a problem when a person consumes them. A drug is a chemical, nothing changes that, the situation changes when different people consume that substance.

I have an addictive personality, and I'd like to think my severe depression and emotional problems have come and gone. Not everyone turns to drugs during these times, obviously, but I'd like to think my knowledge on teens and substances is extensive. I'd also like to think that smoking weed is in some ways like drinking beer, you can't do it every day, or every week for that matter.

this whole post is one big idiotic generalization that is fucking false.
Do you honest to God (or yourself, or satan for all I give a fuck) truely know yourself (I'm sure you can easily say yeah I do), like answer all those great questions that we been wondering when one realizes who they are. When traumatic/philosophical/truthful/life changing epiphanies happens then your like oh fuck me, I really still don't know myself (nor do any of the rest of us jackasses, I'm not saying it's just you, but it's me and that guy and that girl and everyone else). and Food tastes 10x better high so I don't know why you had to add that last bit.

I'd say I know myself a lot better now that I don't need weed to enjoy myself.

Pass it off as a generalization, that's fine but the majority of people I know who smoke weed are fucking lazy, misguided, and not centered human beings. Like I said I haven't met a whole lot of stoners who go to work Monday to Friday and get high after work. I'm also against smoking weed every day, just like I'm against the idea of getting drunk every day. By the way, I'm in favor or decriminalization and legalization.

Sorry for being a dick, but here it is

I'm going to take off the gloves here, you smoke a lot of weed. You've also complained that there's no jobs (this was before the economic shit storm). I called you out on being lazy and self defeating. You weren't even willing to try, you sent off a lot of resumes and waited for someone to come to you. For a stoner you're no shining example of how someone like yourself can be proactive; sorry to be a douche but you collect your parents cash, spend it on weed then bitch cause you can't find a part-time job at McDonalds. Seriously, Fuck that dude. People like Obama, and Richard Branson got high, yes, but I fucking guarantee you that that they either don't do it anymore or they don't do it enough to be considered a stoner.

People can (not always) look at weed in two different lights;

1. One being a substance when used properly can be perfectly healthy. That includes the person realizing that it is a substance that changes your thinking patterns and emotions. Smoking a joint to me is no different than drinking a few beers (Maybe besides the fact that the beers are a little worse for you). I don't drink a few beers every day or every week, nor would I say smoking weed every day or every other day is healthy.

2. Someone can view weed as something that can be consumed several times a week, they like the feeling and affects that comes along with consuming THC. The person has no qualms with getting high a lot. In fact they do it so much they purchase a stash, much like buying several 24's so that they can use the substance more frequently and cheaper. (Not dissing people who buy stashes, it's economically smart as long as you don't blow threw it). This is where self control comes into play, I have a bottle of Whiskey and a Bottle of Rum in my cupboard but that doesn't mean I have to go drink them just cause I have them. I might have an ounce but it doesn't mean I have to smoke a gram everyday.

There's a lot of grey areas, I realize that but for the most part I find people either are square with smoking weed frequently or they're not. Psychologically the only difference between a drunk and a stoner is that the drunk gets chewed out more for his habit, which I'm also against. Social stigmas are completely ass backwards.

The majority of artists (especially the good/great ones) have been fucking high when they accomplished their pieces of work, whether it be music, painting, poetry, stories, what the fuck ever.

Granted, but half of them probably thought they needed to be on some sort of substance to produce their masterpieces.

The truth is they might not have needed it. Also it's bullshit to assume that Weed can be contributed for such levels of success. The person had that ability with or without the weed, they just don't have the ability to unlock their talent unless they're inebriated. When it comes down to it, the weed probably acted as more less a psychological placebo to boost that person's self confidence, which allowed them to feel more comfortable and take risks in their work.

[dads revenge]

Blue

[Zeebu]

I can only think balls deep ^-^ ^-^ ^-^

ios;ise

[gran guerrero]

ok for one thing, doing drugs in your teenage years can definitely fuck with your mind and shit, no lie. But that doesn't mean everyone is the same

artists who think they need to get high to get inspiration aren't artists, I didn't say anything about it being their muse, I'm just saying that artists who create were doing drugs (not trying to justify it as a crutch to do it) and yeah some great artists did die from drug abuse (jimi hendrix, jim morrison, etc) but they were also doing a variety of hardcore drugs of the likes of which was heroin

I'm not trying to promote any drug here, I'm defending weed (fuck alcohol for all I care) from their limited perspective.

Granted, I did what I did, but I also was living in a very compact college town living on financial aid along with my workstudy (so yeah I was working, just not getting the amount of dough I would of gotten elsewhere so I wasn't the only new college student there who was left unemployed. fuck a lot of bright, sober hardworking kids were left jobless too, so our job status wasn't affected by us just smoking weed all the time, fuck if anything ppl smoking weed were the ones with jobs cause they had the money to afford it) and my parents money to get me by on rent and shit, so yeah I milked them while I was away, and I was losing my mind (from excessive abuse of alcohol, mushrooms, acid, xanax) if anything weed was the medium that kept me sane and not committing suicide or becoming some crazy mad man.

But that was months ago, since my last acid trip I've really haven't done anything even weed (until midterms week came along, so that helped mellow me out) but now I'm stopping again to get a job here back home where my parents are (Yeah I moved back post economic shit storm) which helped me get in more touch with my parents, grandmother and other family relatives down here more than I was before I left. I've since taken up tai chi and kung fu, and learned to control my mind and body and decided to study architecture as my major now. And I still have no reason to blame weed for any of my problems (yeah I have them, I'm not hiding that fact and No I never said I was a shining example like Barack Obama or the owner of the Virgin Corporation, but fuck man it's not like you are some celebrity either) the only thing I have to blame is myself, if anything if I didn't start smoking weed, I wouldn't have realized some of the stupid shit I've been doing in my life, fuck I would be some college drop out alcoholic.

so where does that leave us? Nowhere, cause guess what, I'm 20 years old, and how old are you? your 20 something right? That means life is still ahead of us and all the rest of us that did our share of drugs (and more to come later down the road for some of us). Stop looking at it negatively and you'll see all the shit that was done to your life was for a good reason. It's apart of the journey and enjoy the ride cause sooner or later it will end.

[PaulOakenfold]

Yikes, I can't read that with the run on sentences. Care to give a tl;dr version?

edit: Don't make () or - - without making them precise in the future. Holy crap that is unreadable.
edit2: Upon reading a sentence: Oh, you're high aren't you?

[gran guerrero]

Yikes, I can't read that with the run on sentences. Care to give a tl;dr version?

edit: Don't make () or - - without making them precise in the future. Holy crap that is unreadable.

artists did drugs, not drugs make artists

my shitty life filled with hunter s. thompson standard of living while at my first year at college away from home

my better life filled with maturity and responsibility back home starting college over again.

We are young, life goes on

[gran guerrero]

sorry for the double post

edit2: Upon reading a sentence: Oh, you're high aren't you?

No I'm tired, and ready to go to bed

[PaulOakenfold]

Hunter S. Thompson was a hack and a wife beater, and more of an alcoholic than mescaline eater, gas inhaler, weed smoker, or LSD dropper. Children will all learn this in the next decade of English class in middleschool D.A.R.E. or whatever they teach nowadays.

I repeat, he was not a drug hero. He was disregarded by some of the best literary scholars and was a cult hero by only High Times and drug followers. You've been duped by 'the man' - your own sellers.

[gran guerrero]

Hunter S. Thompson was a hack and a wife beater, and more of an alcoholic than mescaline eater, gas inhaler, weed smoker, or LSD dropper. Children will all learn this in the next decade of English class in middleschool D.A.R.E. or whatever they teach nowadays.

I repeat, he was not a drug hero. He was disregarded by some of the best literary scholars and was a cult hero by only High Times and drug followers. You've been duped by 'the man' - your own sellers.

look I don't care who he was or what he did, I just made a fleeting reference to what I read from Fear and Loathing

[PaulOakenfold]

If I said you did, I'm sorry if I did. I'm just trying to put it out there: He's a shitty husband, father, and artist.

[PaulOakenfold]

Like Conc and I argued in an earlier thread, it's much easier to point out more famous sober or alcoholic artists than all the drug addled ones combined.