Retard tries to attack the Royal Family

[Dabram]

Oh what a load of bullshit from the both of ya: 'Value of tradition', 'They're uniting Holland' or 'Being Royalty isn't that easy'. MY ASS.

I don't really care if the Royal Family loses their title/national puppet-show-position or not.
My point is: It's beyond ridiculous that 100 million euro of tax-money goes their way every year to pay for their 'expenses'. (like keeping their old-ass boat floating costs about a ton a year). Funniest is that not even our ministers can show where all the money is going, it's fucking pathetic.
And it's not like they haven't got a sufficient income of their own from the ridiculous amount of wealth they acquired (our Royal Family has about 2.5 billion euros, but don't have anything to spend it on.). But why should they pay for their costly lifestyle themselves when the taxpayer is "willing" to do so, eh?

Seriously, if they want to keep their position as Royalty and continue to live like they've been doing, let them pay for it themselves. Give me one good argument why they shouldn't? And no I didn't count 'we have enough tax-income to pay for it' as a good argument, I can think of a thousand better ways to spend those 100 million euro.

[Galleleo]

I am pretty sure that there are tons of ways that they directly or indirectly influence how much money the Netherlands as a whole earns as well.

[Displaced]

As an outsider looking in, IMO monarchies are outdated and useless...

The royal family effectively has no power, yet millions of pounds/euros/kronor are spent keeping them entertained every year, and for what?

They get to play golf and drive bentleys, get massive mansions and land rights from the government, live on the government dime, while going to places like sudan for 1 day so the press can see them "making a difference"... :greedy:

[PH]

I absolutely see no problem with having the Royal Family.

solid grounds to get rid of them right here

[Leaf]

You might be too young to understand the value of tradition, or maybe you just don't care about is a person. That's fine. To be honest I'm not too crazy about our king and queen myself.

HOWEVER, I also understand that there are many, many that likes that we still keep around our king and queen for the sake of tradition. I don't see what's wrong with having a "monarchy" when it makes many others happy. The expenses aren't really that big. If you feel that your country is poor then find other ways to save money, and stop being a grinch for others' sense of tradition.

End.

Not even going to respond to "too young".

I also understand that there are many that are still fond of monarchy and a royal family.

The argument about our country being so rich, why not throw away a couple of hundred million kronor to them to please everyone?

If that is the case. Why not give me a couple of million? I swear to God, I can act like a monarch. Have speeches about tradition, history and other crap that our monarch gets wrong anyway.

I don't know the exact figure but there are many hundreds of millions going to maintaining the royal family in Sweden. Yet there are people on welfare, people on the street etc. The royal family didn't choose that, well the homeless didn't either, what's your point?

A monarch CAN step down if he/she wishes too, go look it up.

Monarchy is a disgrace to the modern democracy as we know it. Anyone defending it (especially constitutional monarchy) is dilluted (i'm sorry, I don't want to judge people but it just seems so weird).

[Noah]

Ok, I get it, you don't personally appreciate it so it isn't worth having it for your sake. However it's still worth having for the sake of all those who enjoys having a king and queen. It's stupid to attack their reasons for enjoying something just because you don't. There's enough who enjoys still having a king and queen to justify having it.

I don't appreciate having a monarchy either, but I don't mind that others does.

You might be too young to understand the value of tradition, or maybe you just don't care about is a person. That's fine. To be honest I'm not too crazy about our king and queen myself.

Small typo here, should be "you just don't care about it AS a person".

About the too young part: Unless you're older than 60 you can be considered to be too young. The old generations appreciates this stuff much than any of us does, and they aren't defending their views on internet forums either. Maybe we'll appreciate stuff like this when we get old too.

[Ilya]

slavery

now there's a tradition

[Pressure Drop]

monarchy's are a crock of shit and should be confined to history in this day and age.

i'm most familar with the British royal family and i've seen them make so many politicly incorrect and racist blunders that they literally are an embarrassment, not just that they are an out dated unelected tax burden.

if it ever went to a referendum, i'd vote to abolish it, if it failed i wouldn't mind as at least the ppl had a say but i'd want another referendum every ten years

[kthx]

I was playing civilization the other day and realized that Monarchy is a very old form of government that makes it hard to get lots of gold although you can train serfs extremely fast.

Might as well live in a despotism.

[Miami.]

that is kind of bad :\
i really dont see the importance of royalty in today's society anymore.. idk if you wanna correct me on that - just an opinion.

slavery

now there's a tradition

ahahah ^

[PH]

slavery

now there's a tradition

this is obviously going to page 2 so i just want this to be at the top of the page when it happens

[Dabram]

Ok, I get it, you don't personally appreciate it so it isn't worth having it for your sake. However it's still worth having for the sake of all those who enjoys having a king and queen. It's stupid to attack their reasons for enjoying something just because you don't. There's enough who enjoys still having a king and queen to justify having it.

I don't appreciate having a monarchy either, but I don't mind that others does.

Small typo here, should be "you just don't care about it AS a person".

About the too young part: Unless you're older than 60 you can be considered to be too young. The old generations appreciates this stuff much than any of us does, and they aren't defending their views on internet forums either. Maybe we'll appreciate stuff like this when we get old too.

I think smoking all that weed has started to effect your braincells, buddy.

You couldn't be more wrong. Your 'you've to be older than 60 to understand' is a ridiculous argument. Just because they're of an older generation (it's funny how you make it sounds like it's knowledge that'll come with age) they know what's best? With your logic decisions on changes in society should always be made by the elderly. That makes you even more conservative than the pope. Please realize how wrong you are.
And I'm not even talking about a forced abolition, at least here the Royal Family lost all real political power over 100 years ago, as a public function they're just ceremonial puppets. I could care less if they keep that position or not, I just think it's completely wrong that it's our taxmoney that's paying the costs of them still living like Monarchs. They've enough wealth to support their expensive lifestyle, and if they run out (which seems impossible), get a fucking job like everyone else.

ps. this thread is going way off topic.

[Noah]

I think you've fell off your bike one time too many, Bram, it's starting to show.

You completely missed my point. I'm going to make it shorter so maybe your damaged head can comprehend it: As long as enough people enjoys having it, it's worth having.

You might hate it and think it's stupid, but you are one out of millions in your country. It doesn't even matter if the group who likes it is a minority, it just has to have enough people in it. I'm not trying to change your personal view on this either, I dont care about monarchs either. I'm just saying that as long as enough people enjoys it, it's worth it.

[PaulOakenfold]

dont worry. america still has a monarch that people think has power: the president.

NWO

may 1 red alert

[Dabram]

I think you've fell off your bike one time too many, Bram, it's starting to show.

You completely missed my point. I'm going to make it shorter so maybe your damaged head can comprehend it: As long as enough people enjoys having it, it's worth having.

You might hate it and think it's stupid, but you are one out of millions in your country. It doesn't even matter if the group who likes it is a minority, it just has to have enough people in it. I'm not trying to change your personal view on this either, I dont care about monarchs either. I'm just saying that as long as enough people enjoys it, it's worth it.

Wow, I wonder if you can even read. Probably smoked so much dope your eyes are completely shut.

Like I said, they can stick around as Royal Family for all I care, I'm not even TRYING to discuss that.
My question is VERY simple: Why can't they pay for their own expenses? Our Royal Family has a wealth of 2.5 billion euros, I'm sure the other Royal Families aren't much worse off. Why on earth do we need to spend 100 million euro TAXmoney on their expensive way of living when they have ALL that cash? Let them pay it themselves? What would be wrong with that? And it has NOTHING to do with if there's a million people who enjoy having them or not.

Do I need to repeat myself again?

I probably do:

- I do not care if the Royal Family continues to exist in their ceremonial role or not. If people enjoy it, sure let them be.
- I care that their expensive lifestyle is paid with TAX money, and we have NO transparency towards where these millions of euros are going either. Also they're among the top 5 richest families in Holland, so they can pay it themselves EASILY.



ANYWAY, of ALL the things we discuss about (to outsiders, that's like something new EVERY day due to Might being EXTREMELY dense) , this has to be one of the most USELESS, so I'm out.

Feel free to continue on your own Might, just imagine I disagree with anything you say and call you a dopehead.