Muslim Demographics

[Vatican Assassin]

I admit that the video gave me a feeling that it may have been made by paranoid Christians urging everyone -- um, everyone who is white -- to start having babies asap. I, for one, think over-population is a huge problem and will probably only have 2.1 children. But the point of the video, which I talked about in my opening post, is that cultures that don't have education and policies in place on the subject of over-population will inevitably grow at a much faster rate after 2 or more generations. That's it.

I didn't bring up the bible, or terrorism, just the contrast between Western and Muslim population trends. This is, of course, up to debate on whether the numbers are legitimate or useful in anyway, but it certainly is NOT the place of staff to decide to trash my thread and attach a racist title to it because they are bored, arrogant and not funny.

edit 1: Hey gran! Guess what! There is a difference between the old and new testament! Check it out! One is written by the Hebrews, and the other was written a thousand years later by those who would become Christians! Guess which one Tagmor was referencing! I'll give you a hint: it's not the one you keep talking about!

edit 2: 404: This is the key sentence which Tagmor stated that makes what you are saying -- though true -- not really helpful to what sort of facts I was talking about:

"No where does it advocate violence towards non-believers.
True, history has many examples of people committing violent atrocities under the guise of Christianity, but they were clearly not following its laws.
In comparison, most of those atrocities would be acceptable, and even praised under the laws of Islam."

Crusades, inquisitions, all bad, but not justified by the New Testament. Only a distorted and corrupted interpretation could allow such acts.

[PaulOakenfold]

404, also, what do you think. give me those brains in my thread!

[PaulOakenfold]

gran give me your thoughts in my thread

[404 Not Found]

Originally Posted by Vatican Assassin Tagmor is completely owning you with the facts, leaving this "you and everyone like you" generalization as your only out, sry gran but Tag has a point and you got nothing.

So are facts only things that can be derrived from what one reads or by the actual actions one has commited? Maybe the New Testicle does not preach killing those that don't believe; but is not this what the Spanish Inquisition did?

Look at Kill Or Convert, Brought To You By the Pentagon:

A fundamentalist Christian ministry called Operation Straight Up, or OSU. Headed by former kickboxer Jonathan Spinks, OSU is an official member of the Defense Department's "America Supports You" program. The group has staged a number of Christian-themed shows at military bases, featuring athletes, strongmen and actor-turned-evangelist Stephen Baldwin. But thanks in part to the support of the Pentagon, Operation Straight Up has now begun focusing on Iraq, where, according to its website (on pages taken down last week), it planned an entertainment tour called the "Military Crusade."

Apparently the wonks at the Pentagon forgot that Muslims tend to bristle at the word "crusade" and thought that what the Iraq war lacked was a dose of end-times theology.

In the end, the Defense Department realized the folly of participating in any Operation Straight Up crusade. But the episode is just another example of increasingly disturbing, and indeed unconstitutional, relationships being forged between the U.S. military and private evangelical groups.

Take, for instance, the recent scandal involving Christian Embassy, a group whose expressed purpose is to proselytize to military personnel, diplomats, Capitol Hill staffers and political appointees. In a shocking breach of security, Defense Department officials allowed a Christian Embassy film crew to roam the corridors of the Pentagon unescorted while making a promotional video featuring high-ranking officers and political appointees. (Christian Embassy, which holds prayer meetings weekly at the Pentagon, is so entrenched that Air Force Maj. Gen. John J. Catton Jr. said he'd assumed the organization was a "quasi-federal entity.")

The Pentagon's inspector general recently released a report recommending unspecified "corrective action" for those officers who appeared in the video for violating Defense Department regulations. But, in a telling gesture, the report avoided any discussion of how allowing an evangelical group to function within the Defense Department is an obvious violation of the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment.

[gran guerrero]

I'm not really trying to defend anyone here but this is ad hominen, he made the point that the new testament doesn't tell Christians to go out and fight non-believers, you responded by providing some quotes from the new testament, he responded by pointing out that they are in fact not only not violent, but not even directed at non-believers, then you responded by attacking the person instead of the point. Also, I know that sentence is one massive run-on, I've gotta go!

Also, before I get dragged into anything else, I said I'm not agreeing with anyone, just pointing out what it seems like

he makes some half-assed interpretation of some fictional war in heaven even though I interpreted it as something here on earth, in reality

oh wait thats just interpretations (what really? we can interpret it anyway we want, violently or peacefullly or hell even fictionally?)

no wonder ppl like this shit. Its whatever you want it to be

[Reaver]

I don't know why I even bother, you and everyone like you are all the same. Hypocritical retard.

I'm not really trying to defend anyone here but this is ad hominen, he made the point that the new testament doesn't tell Christians to go out and fight non-believers, you responded by providing some quotes from the new testament, he responded by pointing out that they are in fact not only not violent, but not even directed at non-believers, then you responded by attacking the person instead of the point. Also, I know that sentence is one massive run-on, I've gotta go!

Also, before I get dragged into anything else, I said I'm not agreeing with anyone, just pointing out what it seems like

[gran guerrero]

LOl nope still here

[gran guerrero]

blah fucking blah

Lol triple post (may god strike me down, lol fictional guy in the sky)

For someone who says to ppl to read it through again, the same could be said for you. Read it slower this time (LOL c wat I did thar?)

does it matter to the ppl whose been wronged/hurt/killed/what the fuckever by your religion (or any religion for that fact) that you are reading the new testament instead of hte old testament or the kings james version or what the fuck ever.

It's all christianity to them.

Like sunni and shiite is all Islam to you.

so what is your fucking point? that there's no violent scripture in the new testament? well excuse me that your revised book came from a much much much more violent book of the original (THE ORIGINAL MIND YOU)

Do you think I care if I think this will change your mind in the slightest (I know it wont). You ppl is that exactly what I mean, you ppl the same with my ppl. We dont care what we think of each other, we dont care at all. You stick to your beliefs like a virgin nerd who found a girlfriend just the same as those ppl. Get where Im going with this? if not, read it again...SLOWER cause its the only way it gets through your retarded brain.

May god strike me down if I'm wrong

[PaulOakenfold]

Yo kthx sucks, but Vati is alright most of the time. Maybe I'm just biased because he's pretty good at his ship. I don't know. This is a Trench Wars Forum still right?


edit: what I meant to say is: don't equate vati to kthx judged on this thread.

[gran guerrero]

The main problem between Islamic immigrants and other immigrants is that while most groups of people come to America and learn American culture, how to survive here, and how to make friends here, Islamic people tend to keep their own culture and not become truly Americans. That is why I see it as a problem.

Aside from the fact that you live in texas and you obviously dont see assimilation of any kind of foreigner in that state, lets look at some similarities

Conservative - Check
Hates fags - Check
Hates foreigners - Check
Highly religious - Check
Making money off oil - Check
narrow minded political views - Check
Just narrow minded - Check

man you guys could be friends if only...

[gran guerrero]

Tagmor is completely owning you with the facts, leaving this "you and everyone like you" generalization as your only out, sry gran but Tag has a point and you got nothing.

lol facts

prove it

Oh wait, you got to have faith

[PaulOakenfold]

vati i agree, every one of tel cat's posts threads should be thrown into another sub-forum (at random)

[PaulOakenfold]

i'm catholic

qtiyd

[404 Not Found]

Well one thing can be said that has been in the news recently about this and from the flip side in regards to those Evangelists:

New video evidence has surfaced showing that U.S. military forces in Afghanistan have been instructed by the military’s top chaplain in the country to "hunt people for Jesus" as they spread Christianity to the overwhelmingly Muslim population. Soldiers also have imported bibles translated into Pashto and Dari, the two dominant languages of Afghanistan. What’s more, the center of this evangelical operation is at the huge U.S. base at Bagram, one of the main sites used by the U.S. military to torture and indefinitely detain prisoners.

In a video obtained by Al Jazeera and broadcast Monday, Lieutenant-Colonel Gary Hensley, the chief of the U.S. military chaplains in Afghanistan, is seen telling soldiers that as followers of Jesus Christ, they all have a responsibility "to be witnesses for him."

"The special forces guys -- they hunt men basically. We do the same things as Christians, we hunt people for Jesus. We do, we hunt them down," he says.

"Get the hound of heaven after them, so we get them into the kingdom. That’s what we do, that’s our business."

The translated Bibles appear to be the New Testament. According to Al Jazeera, U.S. soldiers "had them specially printed and shipped to Afghanistan." On the tape, one soldier describes how his church in the U.S. helped raise money for the bibles. Al Jazeera reports that "What these soldiers have been doing may well be in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution, their professional codes and the regulations in place for all forces in Afghanistan." The U.S. military officially forbids "proselytising of any religion, faith or practice." But, as Al Jazeera reports:

[T]he chaplains appear to have found a way around the regulation known as General Order Number One.

"Do we know what it means to proselytise?" Captain Emmit Furner, a military chaplain, says to the gathering.

"It is General Order Number One," an unidentified soldier replies.

But Watt says "you can’t proselytise but you can give gifts."

Trying to convert Muslims to any other faith is a crime in Afghanistan. The fact that the video footage is being broadcast on Al Jazeera guarantees that it will be seen throughout the Muslim world. It is likely to add more credence to the perception that the U.S. is engaging in a war on Islam with neo-crusader forces invading Muslim lands.

It just amazes me the extremes that the so called "evangelic" asswipes take. We are in a friggin war and here we have our military leaders telling our troops to convert those and spread Christianity to the overwhelmingly Muslim population.

No wonder the U.S. and the West are hated in many parts of the world of which we have no idea as to the cultures and religions of the native peoples. What is it that we are doing there? Spreading Demochristianity?

[Mantra-Slider]

not to mention how I am offended that Sweden wasnt mentioned. We have plenty of muslims too damnit!!!!!