Muslim Demographics

[Vatican Assassin]

back to useless crap. you had the right idea the first time make me a mod.

Haha paul you are a funny fuck I'll give you that. I think the main thing is that, kolar I appreciate your apology btw, basically let's just reconsider the whole process of deciding on whether a given thread is worthy of stayin out of useless crap or not. If we really think about it, it's only like a hundred or so of us, might as well not fuck with each other's conversations if we don't have to.

edit: and kolar: I think what Tagmor is talking about is that if we really did follow the Christian belief system to the letter there would be no excuse for violence of any kind, but in Islamic religion there are circumstances where it would be allowed (I'm sry btw, I know these threads are actually useless when we get down to it, I mean debating on whether one religiom is better then another come ooooooon i so did not mean to make this go that way).

Btw, anyone bd anymore? Remember when we did? I think someone needs to reform RB who's coming with me?

[kthx]

I can't remember the last time Christianity has waged a holy war on the capitalist infidels which sanctioned suicide bombing in return for a 100 virgins.

[PaulOakenfold]

back to useless crap. you had the right idea the first time make me a mod.

[Galleleo]

Ronn, I don't even know how the hell you reached that conclusion. So I am not going to bother trying to explain why you are so far off what I said.

And Tagmor, stop being a goddamn retard please, Islamic beliefs are not more or less violent than Christian ones. I would say that the only place the Islamic beliefs differ from Christian ones is that they are 'behind' on things like women rights and their standing and stuff. For the rest the Islamic belief has a shit ton of peaceful followers who are not trying to take over shit or convert anyone and it has a bunch of extremists, pretty much the same as Christian belief.

[laureth]

Sorry TagMor, but I looked up like, the first four quotations and crossing them with the verses that are stated in the link you showed me, and they are not exact.

You said:

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter" - Sura 2:191-193

According to http://www.quranexplorer.com (When I searched)

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (191) But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (192) And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. (193)"

Take note, "fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there". This quote indicates that it is defensive, Jihad is also defensive and your referenced quotation would make it look look like Muslims would be justified in going on the offensive, waging war against the disbelievers in order to spread Islam, which just simply isn't true.

Islam doesn't promote extremism/violence and is in fact one of the most peaceful religions out there, Islam is spread dominantly by peaceful means. Your quotations are slightly different, and by only quoting parts of the text and removing it from its context are you making dangerous assumptions which provoke possible hostility from others. That's just something I'm letting you know now.

I don't deny that Christianity isn't peaceful, this was a religion sent by God, and Islam doesn't attack Jews and Christians, as these are followers of a religion sent down by the same god.

Funnily enough though TagMor, Islamic Extremism is actually spread through quotations such as the ones you referenced, by misinterpretation of the text. I encourage you to find a genuine hard-copy of an English translated copy of the Holy Qu'ran, and understand what it is that makes Islam peaceful. Seeing as you're hopefully not a close-minded person (not from what I know of you anyway), I think it would be interesting for you to take a further look into it in this way.

you know what tagmor i typed up a whole essay for you but this sums it up really well, gj GT

[Kolar]

I didn't bring up the bible, or terrorism, just the contrast between Western and Muslim population trends. This is, of course, up to debate on whether the numbers are legitimate or useful in anyway, but it certainly is NOT the place of staff to decide to trash my thread and attach a racist title to it because they are bored, arrogant and not funny.

But you are defending one belief system over that of another. It doesn't matter what the doctrine of Christianity is or that of Islam. If we followed either' scripture to the letter today we would still be in the middle ages taking an eye for an eye, killing adulters, amputating thieves and so on. A lot of problems we have today with extremism in the Middle East is caused predominantly by poverty and by Western intervention. 404 also makes a good point that in both the US and Israeli military there are extremist elements who see the ME wars as a new form of crusades.

About cultural integration, from my personal experience the Muslim people I do know see themselves as Canadian. A recent poll said 77% of British Muslims hold loyalty towards England alone in contrast to 50% for the population as a whole, while most hold the opinion that they don't integrate. I don't know one culture who comes here and doesn't assimulate or integrate within 1-2 generations regardless of religion. A lot of them do bring the baggage and petty conflicts but 99% of it is taught from their parents.

I did trash the thread because all I saw were people trying to promote hatred and fear of a particular race and religion when there truly isn't a cause to be. Maybe I did move too quickly to trash it without allowing others the time to discuss it so I am sorry I didn't give it a chance.

[Ronn]

The video was also clearly wrong.

The video isnt wrong. From CIA world factbook on wiki.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...fertility_rate

I think Galleleo seems adamant on a waging a racial holy war by himself if neccesary to stop Holland becoming an Islamic state, goodluck Galle.

[Galaxy Turbo]

Sorry TagMor, but I looked up like, the first four quotations and crossing them with the verses that are stated in the link you showed me, and they are not exact.

You said:

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter" - Sura 2:191-193

According to http://www.quranexplorer.com (When I searched)

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (191) But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (192) And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. (193)"

Take note, "fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there". This quote indicates that it is defensive, Jihad is also defensive and your referenced quotation would make it look look like Muslims would be justified in going on the offensive, waging war against the disbelievers in order to spread Islam, which just simply isn't true.

Islam doesn't promote extremism/violence and is in fact one of the most peaceful religions out there, Islam is spread dominantly by peaceful means. Your quotations are slightly different, and by only quoting parts of the text and removing it from its context are you making dangerous assumptions which provoke possible hostility from others. That's just something I'm letting you know now.

I don't deny that Christianity isn't peaceful, this was a religion sent by God, and Islam doesn't attack Jews and Christians, as these are followers of a religion sent down by the same god.

Funnily enough though TagMor, Islamic Extremism is actually spread through quotations such as the ones you referenced, by misinterpretation of the text. I encourage you to find a genuine hard-copy of an English translated copy of the Holy Qu'ran, and understand what it is that makes Islam peaceful. Seeing as you're hopefully not a close-minded person (not from what I know of you anyway), I think it would be interesting for you to take a further look into it in this way.

[Noah]

If that trip goes the way I want it I doubt I'll remember enough to guide you out of the airport.

[gran guerrero]

noah be my guide for when i go to amsterdam

[genocidal]

Crusades, inquisitions, all bad, but not justified by the New Testament. Only a distorted and corrupted interpretation could allow such acts.

Wholeheartedly agree. The same applies with the quotes from TagMor. More later on Tag's specific post quoting the Koran and the debate over New Testament doctrine. Til' then!

~TelCat

[Noah]

also smoke weed evry day

Gran wins! €:}->-<

[gran guerrero]

back from UC, dont worry vati I saved it from obscurity, I'm god lulz

[gran guerrero]

also smoke weed evry day

[gran guerrero]

my thoughts, you want my thoughts? YOU CAN'T HANDLE MY THOUGHTS

I subjectively think I am God and that this reality that is this world I live in is a figment of my own imagination where I believe that this shit is real, but deep down inside (thanks to numerous acid hits/mushroom trips/alcohol poisoning/ecstacy/oh and weed of course as well) I'm beginning to feel that this is all fake for my own amusement, so my mind is bending its will over my physical body to believe that I can do whatever the fuck I want (lol like neo from matrix - I created that story, cause it came from me see? lol) so my body is resisting by saying no you are real, don't make me fade away into nonexistence because you mind is saying so. Oh the conflict of my life, whether to accept that this is real and continue existing, or to just accept that its all fake and slip into nothingness.

thats JUST THZE TIP OF THE ICEBURZG BABY