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**Jedi DC** · 06-20-2009, 11:08 AM

obviously the modern fundamentalist version of 'intelligent design' and 'creationism' are absurd, but they are defined by idiots, so what would you expect? you should not rely on a christian definition of god for the concept god, that is, simply picking fights with people's beliefs which shows a large amount of immaturity on your part.

the concept of intelligent design still has plenty of philosophical merit, even if it happens to be only an extreme on a spectrum. you might consider the extent to which you consider scientists to be godlike.

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Jedi DC View Post

obviously the modern fundamentalist version of 'intelligent design' and 'creationism' are absurd, but they are defined by idiots, so what would you expect? you should not rely on a christian definition of god for the concept god, that is, simply picking fights with people's beliefs which shows a large amount of immaturity on your part.

the concept of intelligent design still has plenty of philosophical merit, even if it happens to be only an extreme on a spectrum. you might consider the extent to which you consider scientists to be godlike.

On this occasion I was the belligerent aggressor. Normally he's the guy spamming verses at people saying they'll experience eternal pain from brimstone fires when they're dead. In this case, either because of tribal-oriented 'weeding of the useless', or sheer immaturity, I felt like picking on the guy. I wouldn't mind if everyone on earth who talks like they've been drinking heavy metal water their whole life were to suddenly be 'raptured by god' (or nuclear holocaust) and gtfo.

The dude seems to find some pleasure being the authoritative condemner. He thinks homosexuals go to hell, even left handed homosexual animals. He actually said that it's not just the devil in hell, god is there too, just imperviously. I asked if hell was in our solar system, and if our corpses take shuttle flights.

As for philosophical merit, can't we stick to like, relevant shit like psycho- sexual purposes in the grand scheme, or whether gay animals feel guilty and things like that? I always show up and give the guy my own philosophy. Like I'm related to the italian dude who speared jesus in the spleen.

Tower> sinning, what is your take on male homosexuality?
sinning> a sin is a sin
Tower> is it in the 10 commandments?
sinning> its in the bible
Tower> goats are in the bible, probably
sinning> you want to marry a goat?
Tower> because sexuality is mentioned doesnt clarify it's positivity or negativity
sinning> oh it does
Tower> unless you can find me a passage that says homosexuals are sinners for their sexual acts
sinning> I could find a few
Tower> do you believe homosexuals go to hell?
sinning> I believe unforgiven sinners go to hell
Tower> do you believe homosexual animals go to hell?
Tower> what if theyre left handed too?
sinning> humans go to hell
Tower> you cant repent from that even if you can teach them sign language
sinning> Im left handed
Tower> you would be.
sinning> hell is very real
Tower> does it exist in our solar system?
Tower> do our corpses take a shuttle flight?
Tower> if hell is supposedly full of physical pain, our nerves must transfer
Tower> god is resting peacefully in hell?
sinning> God dosnt feel the torment of the wicked
Caolan> :S god help ya
Tower> I hate god
Tower> God is a bastard who kills the innocent and laughs about it
sinning> I know you hate God
Tower> like sinning spawning levis in spider
Caolan> ta mock others beliefs just makes u a gobshite
Caolan> because u have none
GUNFIEND> you can mock someone for trustfully believing the tooth fairy, but not jesus?
Tower> God's anus is the black hole
sinning> you can make up any god you want, even santa but none of them can save you from your sins, only the true God, Jesus Christ
Tower> I atone with santa. We dp mrs. clause.
Tower> God thinks black people have no souls
Tower> God thinks satan put fossils on earth
Tower> God is an inverted butthole
Tower> Caolan, if Jesus asked you to perform oral on Mary Manganese's feet, would you?
Tower> If Jesus asked to use your robe to whipe his ass but you were in a desert at night with -10F, would you do it?
Tower> to me that's what compromising for the bastard would mean, same insensibility
GUNFIEND> i will not let jesus probe my ass
The Truth Is Wrong> How can U let a dead man probe your ass?
Invincible> he'd just revive
Tower> Jesus' corpse didn't actually vanish. He was defecated and is currently dispersed through 6 continents
Mooker> jesus doesn't ask anything of you
baanana fishy> jesus says to kill all kids who dosent always redpect their father and mother :S
Mooker> well jesus must be an ass baanana
Tower> What if your mom sold you into prostitution and your dad bought you the next day?
baanana fishy> i have a cat wich rapes my dog :_(
baanana fishy> im going to sacrifice my self to thousand handed doom ape of doom.
Tower> Let Jesus Fuck You!
Tower> Let Jesus Fuck You!
Tower> Or let Jesus be fucked by the black god of the woods with a thousand young!

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 12:22 PM

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. - Richard Dawkins

**Jedi DC** · 06-20-2009, 12:22 PM

he is one of the pub pastors? lol

As for philosophical merit, can't we stick to like, relevant shit like psycho- sexual purposes in the grand scheme

Freudian psychology is limited in scope, so while it can produce perfectly rational discussions it should not be mistaken for grand in scheme or holistically relevant to the grand scheme. of course when i advocate the merit of concepts like intelligent design it is in relation to the concept of god, which is as grounded or ungrounded as you can imagine it.

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 12:34 PM

Just the other day I decided exactly what intelligent design should describe. Instead of creation by a supreme consciousness - get this - the scope of biological intelligence.

We have our wave crests and our wave troughs. Intelligence as we know it is hereditary, dietary, initial nurture and initial nature (differing proportions of elemental exposure) oriented. BUT, the key thing to remember is that brains are 100% constituted with particles. 60% of the brain is polyunsaturated fat Omega-3s DHE and DHA. Photon-compacted superconductive metals from ingested phototrophs compose 5% dryweight of pigs brains. Therefore, the essential thing to remember is that maximization of these elemental and molecular compactions provides a directivity for individuals within the spectrum of biological intelligent 'design'.

The following is an excerpt from www.asc-alchemy.com/hudson.html

'So we went down to A. J. Bayless and got ourselves some cow's brains and
some pig's brains. We carborized these brains in fuming sulfuric acid.
That was a really raunchy thing to do but it was the only way we knew to
do it. We weren't organic chemists, we were inorganic chemists so we
destroyed the carbon, carborized it, added nitric-nitric-nitric acid,
kept taking it down to fumes of sulfuric more nitric, fumes of sulfuric,
more nitric till we got rid of all the carbon. Then water, water, water
till we got rid of all the nitrous compounds. Then we did a metal
sulfate analysis. Did you know that over five percent by dry matter
weight of the brain tissue is rhodium and iridium in the high spin
state?
Did you know that the way cells communicate with each other is by
superconductivity? That the U.S. Naval Research Facility knows that the
way cells communicate with each other is by superconductivity? That they
have actually measured it using SQUIDS? Superconducting Quantum
Interference Devices with a superconducting ring around the body. And
they have seen by this procedure that literally light flowed between
cell to cell to cell to cell. Did you know that your nerve impulses are
not electricity that they travel closer to the speed of sound than they
do to the speed of light? And electricity travels closer to the speed of
light? Do you know what speed the superconducting wave travels? The
speed of sound. This, in fact, is what is in your body that we call the
consciousness. It's what separates you from a computer.
It literally is the light of life. This is that part of your body that
has been there all of this time, that scientists can't find because
their instruments can't see it. They call it carbon because it has no
absorption or emission spectra and they assume therefore that it is
carbon when, in fact, it isn't carbon. That there are 11 elements that
it could be but primarily rhodium and iridium are the elements that are
in your body right now. And that literally they resonance connect and
literally flow the light of life perpetually in your body. And around
your body you have a non polar magnetic field which is called the
Meissner field or they refer to it as the aura.
That literally these are the spirit atoms in your body. These are the
atoms that are in resonant harmony and resonating with the vacuum
energy. And the vacuum energy is another dimension where there is no
time. Everything that ever existed and everything that ever will exist
is registered in the vacuum. And I will tell you now, my friends, that
when you meet your God, you will meet him in the vacuum. That is where
all matter came from, that is where all matter originated and that is
where everything is recorded. And your connection is through these
resonant oscillators that are in quantum resonance with the vacuum
energy. That is what brings the light of life from the world of the
quanta up into the macro body you call your own physical being.
These atoms, in a macro state and dried, look like a white powder. But
actually if you look at them under a microscope they look like glass.
You can actually heat the white powder to 1160 degrees under a vacuum
and it forms a glass just like that window glass. Another form the
element can exist in.
When you come to understand that each of these atoms is resonating with
the vacuum energy. You can't harness a single atom. You can't put reins
on it and say work for me; this perpetual motion machine. But when one
atom is resonating back and forth in two dimensions it creates a
quantile wave that comes off of it. The next atom nestles in that wave
and perpetuates the wave.
The atoms are actually too far apart to have any chemistry and yet they
are sitting at a distance resonating in perfect unison, harmony. The
energy that literally rolls around one atom for ever and ever and ever:
did you ever ask yourself why an atom never runs down? It is because it
is dipping into the zero point energy all of the time. But now you have
each atom in resonant harmony with each other; each atom dipping into
the zero point energy. So now you've got billions and billions and
billions of them doing it for you. So what you now have is a perpetual
motion machine. You have something that literally is running perpetually
on zero point energy. You actually can build a ring of this material and
it will flow and respond to the earth's magnetic field.
For example, did you know that a single element superconductor, a type
one superconductor, will literally respond to a magnetic field of two
times ten to the minus fifteenth ergs? And do you know that there is ten
to the eighteenth power ergs in a gauss?
And the earth's magnetic field, that the compass aligns with is about
point five gauss? So an erg is the measure of the magnetic field around
one electron. And a superconductor responds to a magnetic field of two
times ten to the minus fifteenth ergs?
Gosh. Literally, when you think, it registers. So when you are working
with this material your thoughts are registering in the material.'

Ever wonder why hawaiian marijuana plants are actual Trees?

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/plants.htm
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/paramag.htm
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/...h/levitate.avi

**Summa** · 06-20-2009, 01:02 PM

i posted this same link or one very similar to it a few months back, and it did not knock any fundamental religious people or creationists off their horse. the typical response from the creationist camp was the whole example of god and a scientist both claiming they can make a human and the scientist asks god to borrow some dirt thingy. it doesn't debunk anything. the fact is that creationists and religious people blindly believe in something with little proof for their case (more so in the realm of religion and a personal "god" than strictly people who believe in some form of creation like deism). And if you truly have debunked creationism, plz write a book and make millions, I will read it.

**Vykromond** · 06-20-2009, 02:21 PM

thank you for debunking creationism this was very helpful to me

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 02:29 PM

I didn't debunk it. I shed some new light and shown some new data. Either you believe in the supreme conscious creator or you don't that's already settled with very little room for sway. I chose the thread title over 'debunked intelligent design' because all I had to present was some anti-christian defamation, some proof on the plausibility on earth origins, and someone's concept of directed panspermia. The rest just emphasizes that the designers are here and now, an alternate definition for the phrase, and some frontier research validating the physics of metaphysics as fully engaging the present moment. Conclusively, there's absolutely no requisite for an initially completed designer.

**Dack Falu** · 06-20-2009, 03:15 PM

god created richard dawkins to test people's faith and to host family feud

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 03:21 PM

lol I have Dawkins teeth

the one on the right - http://tinypic.com/r/n6vorr/5

http://tinypic.com/r/2w4elag/5

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 03:34 PM

it's all about being british as fuck

**PaulOakenfold** · 06-20-2009, 05:42 PM

i now believe in creationism

**disorder** · 06-20-2009, 06:37 PM

you would be.

**PaulOakenfold** · 06-20-2009, 06:46 PM

i would be what?

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