GM Saturn & Penske deal fails

[Galleleo]

I got a s80 from 2000. Only problem I ever had was something with the air conditioning being broken. For the rest, not one problem, and it still drives smoothly without weird noises or anything.

[Adman]

Had a F-150 Quad Cab XLT for 3 years, never one problem at all, 80k miles.

Brakes, Engine, Transmission, AC, Belts, Alternator, Battery, Suspension, nothing except for the tires has ever been changed out of it. And I get at least 15-20 mpg, which is great since I only pay 1.95 for gas here in Houston.

Who the fuck wants to drive a shitty mini or hybrid that looks and sounds gay and that you have to squeeze into and bend your knees to touch the petals. Fuck that.

Trucks are good for lasting a very long time. I occasionally see early 80's trucks still kicking around, usually the body goes before the engine, because of all the salt we use on our road up here.

[WuTang420]

fit have you considered an audi? almost any one you like can be found in a "quattro". i had a 1989 audi 100 quattro and it ran 380k miles and was a blast to 4 wheel slide in the snow. even at 380k it didnt fully die just started smoking so i sold it before it got worse. ive always thought audis have perfect interiors too, roomy (im 6'3), classy and clean. good luck in your search

[Fit of Rage]

Thanks for the suggestions. I found two that might actually work:

VW Jetta Sportwagon TDI (clean diesel MPG 30/41)



OR

Audi A3 TDI (clean diesel MPG 30/42)


The VW starts at $23k new and the Audi starts at $25k. I've read a few reviews of the Jetta and all of them say that its the best car they ever owned. Pretty encouraging. Maybe a test drive will convince me to go that route.

[genocidal]

Diesel is a good call.

[Cops]

The 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid looks pretty sweet.



The Honda Hybrid wasn't bad either, it was no different than driving any other Civic. If you want to go skiing or take it through rough terrain it might be good to avoid the civic, it's great for mileage and driving in the city but as soon as snow touches it - it turns to shit.

[Necromotic]

how bout a 08 Acura TL-S?

[Galleleo]

The jetta is a pretty solid drive, definitely nothing wrong with it. But if I would have the choice between VW and Audi, I would go for Audi, it's just better and more fun to drive than the Jetta.

[Displaced]

more fun? its just the marque talking.

The Jetta/Bora is basically a Golf, and guess what, the Audi A3 is basically a golf. They share the same chassis, springs, brakes, steering, basically everyhting bar the interior and exterior panels. They are near to IDENTICAL to drive..

I drive a 07 Impreza WRX, and im 5'11, not cramped in the slightest, and the Outback is a MUCH bigger car.

as for your criteria.

If you want a beemer that is "cheap(ish)" and has good gas mileage, you cant go wrong with a BMW 123d, if you're after something bigger, the 320d and 330/335d's are also fantastic (335d especially).
Snow plus AWD go hand in hand, luckily you can spec the 3 series diesels with Xi, so there is another problem solved. (ok its not a "proper" AWD, but whatever)

Ditto with the VW's,and Audis, all can be specced with their own haldex AWD (4Motion, Quattro)

If you want a "proper" AWD car, id go for a 2.0l diesel legacy outback (proper AWD + big boot + good MPG)
Plus the new Legacy is coming out sometime this week over here, should be out stateside by now, its an even BIGGER car, and supposedly, has a much updated interior.

As for "fun" to drive, the 335d takes the cake there, but it isn't anywhere near as frugal, and i'd be willing to bet it is out of your pricerange even in America.

[Fit of Rage]

I didn't even know the Outback had a diesel option. If it isn't a new-gen TDI though (last 5 years), it probably won't be clean burning (at least with American cars, definitely not compared to European diesels).

I'm really starting to get attracted to the Jetta Sport. Maybe I'll get a test drive in sometime. Only drawback is that I couldn't find any options for all wheel drive. I can get chains so I'm not too worried, the main thing was having a large enough roof (and a cargo rack for that matter) to mount a ski box.

[Displaced]

Subaru has only had diesels for the last year or so, "worlds first boxer diesel".

Maybe they dont flog them stateside, dunno.

[Xog]

Lolconomy




VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 3-door hatchback

ESTIMATED BASE PRICE: $250,000

ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection

Displacement: 286 cu in, 4691cc
Power (SAE net): 444 bhp @ 7000 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 354 lb-ft @ 4750 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual with automated shifting and clutch

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 104.1 in Length: 172.5 in
Width: 74.6 in Height: 52.8 in
Curb weight: 3500 lb

PERFORMANCE (C/D EST):
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec
Top speed (drag limited): 181 mph
PROJECTED FUEL ECONOMY (C/D EST):
EPA city driving: 12 mpg
EPA highway driving: 17 mpg

[Squeezer]

like anyone on these forums can afford that $200,000 dick extension Xog.

FFS, most of us steal internet.

[404 Not Found]

Alfa Romeo Spider is back again huh? All I know is that the old Spiders usually ended up on the back of a truck being taken to a garage somewhere.

$250,000 is somewhat high for a car that has a lousy reputation for staying on the road.

For that much money and such horrible MPG's I would just get a Porsche 930 for under $30,000 used, that would get you better gas mileage than most new cars today. Great cars in the snow BTW and easy to work on...as are old 911's if you have the time and space.

This one (1981 Turbo) is for sale for $25,000




I miss my old '79 930 below Was forced to sell it.



Not that anyone is looking for a track car or sports car in general...was just in response to the Alpha Romeo.

[Displaced]

it costs that much because its an 8C Spider...

They made 500 8C's and they made 500 8C Spiders.

100% carbon fibre, stongking ferrari engine, collector car bargain.

good luck finding one though, all 500 were sold sometime in 08.