Were you raised Conservative or Liberal? And has that changed?

[Fit of Rage]

I don't seem to remember Fit ever saying that he didn't understand what marginal propensity was. I think he was merely commenting on the fact that it sounded like you were regurgitating a textbook.

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[Ilya]

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[Material Girl]

Danny Williams of Newfoundland is also the same guy who divorced his wife and is now in a serious relationship with a friend of one of his kids, last I heard.

[gran guerrero]

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[Squeezer]

anybody with a modicum of knowledge of economics or mathematics can deduce what manginal propenisty is.

fit of rage must be the 1st degree carrying engineer who doesn't understand the word manginal propenisty.

hi 5

sooooo fukin horny

[Cops]

I said he didn't know what a premier is, and by him saying my premier he assumes I live in Newfoundland. The premier of Newfoundland has as much to do with me as governor of California does with you living in Texas. He probably doesn't know the difference between a Premier and Prime Minister. When talking about someone's politics is courtesy to know a couple things first, that way you don't confuse legislative offices and come off as a complete moron.

Doctors are just like everyone else, self interested individuals. Doctors go south to make money, generally not because they prefer to live in America rather than Canada. Nurses as well profit highly from being part of the brain drain. I hate to repeat myself here but it's accepted that for someone who needs surgery and they can afford it they may be better off going to America. However, our doctors are given the exact same training as the doctors in America so the skill of these practitioners is not what makes them differ. How 'some' of them differ is their paychecks and the equipment, money can always buy the better technology but it won't necessarily always buy the best people.

At the expense of providing 'skilled' care to the minorities of those who can afford it you've allowed those who can't afford care to go without it. By the way, out of curiosity do you really think you're getting the same care as Danny Williams is getting? He's paying over $100,000 to get his surgery done. What are you paying? $250 a month? Do you really think you're going to get the same quality of care or even be allowed to have surgery if you need it? His doctors cost $100,000 do you think your insurance company is going to let you see those same doctors? Probably not. You can't even say for certain whether your insurance company would be there when you needed them to. You're paying ridiculous amounts of money, more so than any Canadian has ever paid and you're not even certain whether you'd receive treatment or not. You don't have to be a high school graduate to figure this one out, wark.

Honestly I don't think anyone's saying we have the best system in the world, but it's kind of fucked up for someone who pays double what we pay and gambles with his health care to start pointing figures at our system.

[paradise!]

I don't seem to remember Fit ever saying that he didn't understand what marginal propensity was. I think he was merely commenting on the fact that it sounded like you were regurgitating a textbook.

by pointing out factually incorrect information in your post I sound like a textbook? How else can I parry your mis-statements than with words you yourself used. You were wrong in saying higher propensities to save means a successful stimulus, it's the opposite. Keynes didn't even necessarily argue what I said, BUT he argued the TYPE of the approach i'm saying, and from my knowledge of his approach i believe he would say that.

how is this textbook spitting? If you want to argue that, you were the one with the more textbook argument. Why even bring up something as random as propensities to consume or save? That is one minute term in a pool of thousands, and thats still in 1 branch (fiscal) of economics. You either argue aggressive fiscal policies or not, OR you argue aggressive monetary policy or not. That's it. We don't need explanations on WHY something is considered an aggressive policy.

You were arguing directly against a tenet of keynesian economics.

fit of rage just needs some pompoms is all.

just sayin

[genocidal]

Surprisingly, this thread was actually good

Until health care trolls and intro to macroecon students came out of the woodwork. I enjoyed seeing where some people on the forum are coming from.

[Cops]

i didn't really want or ask for the health care debate to come up in the first place.

[Pandagirl!]

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No, you just read my post wrong. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough with my use of pronouns, but I'm saying the same thing you are. Believe it or not, as an Econ major, I kind of understand basic Keynesian economics.

[kthx]

If I went to a hospital in the medical center to have brain or heart surgery, yes off my 250 dollar a month insurance I would be seeing doctors better than the one your premier saw, on equipment better than the ones used on your premier. If it was a complicated surgery that required me to see a very talented specialist my insurance would definitely take care of it.

You really don't know anything.

[Squeezer]

No, you just read my post wrong. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough with my use of pronouns, but I'm saying the same thing you are. Believe it or not, as an Econ major, I kind of understand basic Keynesian economics.

I'm sure he'll be here soon enough to acknowledge your understanding of the topic.

Summa and I come from a bit of a broken home if you all really want to know. Lots of fighting, some nasty physical situations, drinking etc. etc. We don't talk about it often, but that is from whence we come. I do feel like our stituation is far more common in America than others might think. Our dad makes a lot of money working as a Postmaster, our mother is a secretary, and both worked their asses off, with no extended education, to make sure we had a great life. Our parents are divorced now, but when they were together they did their best to instill (or sometimes beat) respect for others into us. I can still remember my dad hitting the shit out of me when I was young because I told a homeless man he was gross. In one sense, they are sort of stringent moralists. My mother once told me that if I murdered somebody, she would push harder than anyone for the death penalty.

On the other hand, my parents were not strict at all about certain aspects of our culture. I've watched R rated movies for as long as I can remember (often with my dad), consistently swore in front of my parents since I was a teenager, and got away with being a little rowdy and difficult to contain. They never had any problems talking about sex and encouraged us to ask questions, never banned any books or ideas. They pressed for honesty and accountability more than punishment. More than anything, my mother wants her sons to be autonomous individuals responsible for ourselves. I think she sees how many of our peers get everything paid for/given to them, including their values, by their parents and understands the dangers of pampering your kids too much. So, while she's bummed that she can't pay her sons' tuitions or send us back to school with new clothing every year, I think part of her is envigorated to see her two sons be responsible for themselves. My dad chooses not to pay for anything because he's a dick.

I haven't spoken to my father in a few years (though Summa has. In fact, he visited him in Florida fairly recently) and he sort of gave up trying to keep up contact me. It really blows growing up in the most confusing years of being a male (14 onward) with a dad that set a terrible example and bailed as fast as he could. Really, it does...don't do it to your children...but I also have to say that it's definied me as a person more than anything else.

There's a line in an Atmosphere song that's always cheered me up to growing up with abuse. It's a dumb line, I know, but for some reason it always summed the ambivelence and mixed feelings that come up when I think about my childhood.

When they start to push and pull the buttons I don't trust myself
What pride, fists, and words just might do?
I'm afraid of my fate, don't wanna turn out like you
I've never hit a woman
I won't do coke
And for that alone I love you and I wanna thank you old man

[Squeezer]

you know, since Gen said he kind of gives a shit.

[Cops]

I'm sure he'll be here soon enough to acknowledge your understanding of the topic.

Summa and I come from a bit of a broken home if you all really want to know. Lots of fighting, some nasty physical situations, drinking etc. etc. We don't talk about it often, but that is from whence we come. I do feel like our stituation is far more common in America than others might think. Our dad makes a lot of money working as a Postmaster, our mother is a secretary, and both worked their asses off, with no extended education, to make sure we had a great life. Our parents are divorced now, but when they were together they did their best to instill (or sometimes beat) respect for others into us. I can still remember my dad hitting the shit out of me when I was young because I told a homeless man he was gross. In one sense, they are sort of stringent moralists. My mother once told me that if I murdered somebody, she would push harder than anyone for the death penalty.

On the other hand, my parents were not strict at all about certain aspects of our culture. I've watched R rated movies for as long as I can remember (often with my dad), consistently swore in front of my parents since I was a teenager, and got away with being a little rowdy and difficult to contain. They never had any problems talking about sex and encouraged us to ask questions, never banned any books or ideas. They pressed for honesty and accountability more than punishment. More than anything, my mother wants her sons to be autonomous individuals responsible for ourselves. I think she sees how many of our peers get everything paid for/given to them, including their values, by their parents and understands the dangers of pampering your kids too much. So, while she's bummed that she can't pay her sons' tuitions or send us back to school with new clothing every year, I think part of her is envigorated to see her two sons be responsible for themselves. My dad chooses not to pay for anything because he's a dick.

I haven't spoken to my father in a few years (though Summa has. In fact, he visited him in Florida fairly recently) and he sort of gave up trying to keep up contact me. It really blows growing up in the most confusing years of being a male (14 onward) with a dad that set a terrible example and bailed as fast as he could. Really, it does...don't do it to your children...but I also have to say that it's definied me as a person more than anything else.
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Me and Kolar grew up in a similar situation. You remind me of Kolar, he doesn't talk to our father anymore. I try to keep in contact but rather than being an active person in my life he's more like an extended relative that shows up once a year and takes the liberty to act like a fatherly figure for the two or three days you see him. I think our parents have a lot in common. My father use to make $80,000 (majority of it was untaxed) on onward as a mechanic but not once has he ever shelled out support or even money to help me and my brother pay our tuition. My mother works her ass off and would and wants to help her kids more than she already does but is ultimately limited to by her financial constraints, for over ten years she has had a full-time and a part-time job. Not once did my father think about or even try to alleviate the financial pressures that my father put on her. Instead he cheated on my mom, moved in with his new girlfriend and her kids and was for a couple years paying to shelter and feed her kids while my mother and brothers were living at my grandmothers house. We finally moved out of my grandmothers house into a subsidized apartment, and finally a town house several years later. It's funny because while his kids were living in a piece of shit apartment he bought a brand new house for him and his 'new family'. Without the support of my uncles I would not be where I am now. My gay uncle I talked about previously is more of a man then my father could ever hope to be.

The lesson that I think me and my brothers have learned is that taking responsibility and educating ourselves will ultimately lead to a decent life. Also taking care of your family and loved ones isn't something you can ignore.

[Cops]

re; wark, can you just fuck off dude? i've already replied to you once, do you have to troll every decent thread on this forum? no wonder i stopped logging in a month ago.