Any Polish players?

[Vatican Assassin]

Hate this culture of conspiratorial pseudo-science whereby paranoid kids on the internet think they have some personally revealed access to the truth.

Nycle, I offer different theories because I don't have the irrefutable truth, in fact I don't have much to go on because I don't know much about Poland's politics with Russia and the EU

Learn to read and you won't enter forum threads sounding like a complete douche bag who repeats what has already been said. You hate people who think they "have personally revealed access to the truth," then your very next sentence you definitively declare, "This was an accident." Fuck you if you can't see how stupid that looks.

RussiaToday — September 23, 2009 — The Polish parliament has adopted a resolution that blames Russia for genocide, allegations Moscow denies.
The document, passed without a vote or debate, refers to the mass murder of thousands of Polish citizens at the outbreak of the Second World War.
Russia says this political move will seriously strain already tense relations between the two countries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9w1aLo2Js

You say Russia and Poland were on good diplomatic terms, metal. Well, do you know where the plane was flying when it crashed? Do you know what the Polish government was trying to get Russia to admit about the 20,000 Polish police and soldiers Russia murdered in 1940's? Do you know Russia refused to meet with or allow President Kaczynski to be allowed on any Russian media? Or does the statement of grief issued by Putin erase all that? None of this means the plane was destroyed on purpose, but it does show that Poland and Russia are not on the good diplomatic terms you seem to remember.

[kthx]

I still love that quote/your sig.

[MetalHeadz]

It's the same fearful schizophrenic bollocks you see in reaction to most modern disasters. None of your assumptions would be considered anywhere near a 'truth' in a court of law - if that was the case the Russian authorities would be taking huge international criticism, face war crimes in front of an international criminal tribunal and we'd probably be on the verge of WW3. Believe me when I say there will be far better placed people looking much deeper at the surrounding evidence than you to see if this was anything other than an accident. The costs of a leaked assassination of this kind would be far greater than anything gained by perhaps temporarily neutralising accusations about events that happened 70 years ago. And how exactly would assassinating the Polish president and a few generals quell accusations of an academic and historical nature? You make these huge cognitive leaps which simply fall to pieces when you examine them for longer than a few minutes.

What you have posted is the warped drug addled musings of paranoid foreign spectator. All knowledge you have about this case is biased and has been misappropriated to suit a presupposed hunch. I'm sorry - saying that there was a dispute over a historical event is nowhere near good enough to be considered a motive for assassination. These are common conversations happening all over Eastern Europe in a post-Soviet world.

You should give this a watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

A lot of it pertains to 9/11 but some of it is pretty relative and the general points about conspiracy theories are spot on.

[Vatican Assassin]

ya

[Vatican Assassin]

Ignore all this information and attack the source or me:

http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/...26/11937.shtml

KATYN 2. Polish opposition party demands international investigation into plane crash
Publication time: 26 April 2010, 15:05

According to a report from Warsaw of the Austrian journalist Jane Burgermeister who is engaged in investigation of the murder of the Polish elite on April 10, 2010 by the international terrorist organization оf FSB Russia, the failure of the Polish and Russian government to address compelling new evidence suggesting that the plane crash killing President Lech Kaczynski and top military and civilians leaders was engineered is generating growing criticism in Poland, and has forced Prime Minister Donald Tusk onto the defensive.

Tusk said Sunday that he would issue a report on the official investigation into the crash on Wednesday.

Poland's chief prosecutor Andrzej Seremet said earlier this week that Polish prosecutors would postpone revealing the contents of the black boxes.

Compelling new facts and evidence that the plane crash two weeks ago in Smolensk was engineered include the revelation that a device warning the pilot of obstacles was turned off.

Also, it was revealed that agents belonging to the Polish secret service raided the flats and houses of victims three hours after the crash, removing computers and documents.

Opposition MPs in Poland on Friday demanded that an international commission be set up to examine the scientific evidence into the causes of plane crash.

Furthermore, a Polish general called for Defense Minister Bogdan Klich to resign after evidence emerged that Bogdan was not seeking to conduct a proper investigation.

An aviation official scouring the crash site in Russia for crucial scientific evidence was told by Bogdan he did not require an interpreter, and was expected to pay the costs of his investigation out of his own pocket.

Forums and message board of Polish newspapers such as "Gazeta Wyborcza", "Rzeczpospolita" and "Dziennik" indicate that the majority of Polish people, in the meantime, reject the official account of the plane crash due to pilot error.

Access to scientific evidence and expert information on the plane crash has been limited. The Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin, who took charge of the investigation shortly after the crash in Smolensk, is the only person in Russia allowed to comment, but has so far made no statement.

Similarly, the exclusive right to release information on the crash in Poland is reserved to Tusk.

Authorities have so far failed to provide credible answers to the many unanswered questions that have emerged.

Authorities as well as the controlled mainstream media were quick to blame the crash on pilot error and fog.

In addition, the rumor that Kaczynski had pressured the pilot to land and so caused the crash spread within hours in the mainstream media and was repeated without criticism even in some blogs belonging to the alternative media.

But so many new facts and evidence have emerged contradicting government accounts that officials have been forced to retract statements.

Doubts are also growing about the DNA analysis performed by labs in Russia to identify the victims, following a number of contradictory statements made by authorities.

Even the official account of the time point at which the crash occurred has been called into question.

According to the official version, the Presidential plane crashed in Smolensk military airport at 8.56 am CET or 10.56 Moscow Times.

But a journalist from "Polsat News" reported the crash to his station 10 minute earlier.

Evidence that the crash occurred earlier also comes from a report that the transmission of power from an electricity pylon close to the crash scene, and which was seen to be damaged in photos, was interrupted at 8:41.

The Presidential plane was scheduled to arrive at 8:25 at Smolensk military airport after a flight lasting 62 minutes from Warsaw's Fredrik Chopin Airport.

But investigations do not appear to have even determined the precise time the plane left Warsaw. The Presidential plane is believed to have been delayed by 20 minutes as was another jet carrying 13 journalists, who did not travel with the President as usual.

The failure of the authorities to accurately report basic facts such as the time of the crash and the time the Polish plane left Warsaw is fuelling public unease over the crash which killed key figures including the central bank governor, the top general and the national security chief, and much of the opposition party.

It is not clear how these people were allowed to travel on the same plane given security protocols, or if many were on the plane becuse a journalist at the crash scene reported the marked absence of bodies.

Even the conservative "Polskaweb" website has concluded on the basis of the available facts and evidence that it is highly likely the plane crash killing the Polish elite was engineered", reports from Warsaw the Austrian journalist Jane Burgermeister.

[Galleleo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavkaz_Center

On the other hand, David McDuff, an editor with Prague Watchdog, has written that the Kavkaz Center is "thought by some observers to be a disinformation centre run with the help of Russia’s special services."

I win

[Vatican Assassin]

So the newspaper article that is questioning Russia's involvement in the plane crash, is a disinformation center run by Russian special services. Congratulations Galleleo you have just lost all relevancy.

[Galleleo]

You don't get it do you?

All I did was the same as you, I linked to some place that proved my points regardless if it made any sense or not. That's all you have been doing, linking to weird and unknown places just because they prove your point while other sources don't.

Therefore, I win.

[paska]

Dutch people

Dutch people afraid to think any differently... i know why




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[Vatican Assassin]

You don't get it do you?

All I did was the same as you, I linked to some place that proved my points regardless if it made any sense or not. That's all you have been doing, linking to weird and unknown places just because they prove your point while other sources don't.

Therefore, I win.

the difference is you have no point, you just come on here and say people don;t understand english if they disagree with paste a link to wikipedia that means nothing to nobody

[Galleleo]

Are you seriously saying you ever had a point?

Hahahahaha, that's a good one.

[paradise!]

dutchman giving english lessons. *grabs popcorn*

[Vatican Assassin]

my point was that there may be something fishy with this place crash you seem to be unable to address, your point is that you are a dumbass

[Galleleo]

No, you got it wrong, my point is that you are a dumbass

ow and a worse version of Tone.

[Galleleo]

dutchman giving english lessons. *grabs popcorn*

Dutchman
English

More could be improved, but I wouldn't know where to start with you really, so I'll leave it at that.
You're welcome.