Religion is bullshit

[the_paul]

lol @ tigron saying religiously inclined people have do not use their reason / do not have it

[Tigron-X]

No, no... I said, "Religion corrupts the mind by turning it away from reason and empiricism."

Consider it like a corrupted harddrive. It can still be used, but it's not fully functional until restored.

If you want an example of how corrupting it can be...

When a religious individual attempts to evaluate phenomenons, or events in life, he/she is inclined to look for God's hand (metaphorically speaking) or God's word in the observed event, sometimes the devil. If these beings existed, then there would be empriical evidence of their existence. When a religious person is asked to produce empirical evidence, they do not. They cannot. And, instead of abandoning their position like a rational human being, they continue to embrace the idea of such beings insofar as to believe they have human interaction with them. But, when confronted directly, most will deny that they have actually spoken to God. Yet, even after such contradiction has been established, they will continue to believe and claim they have human interaction with God. (i.e. It's not just in their heads.)

Even worse are those that actually claim they have spoken to God because they will develope some belief such that they are special or chosen.

And, the worst of all is when a religious institution begins using one of its members for propaganda. For example: Mother Teresa

A very sick individual that has been made out to be saintly. Here, have a look see for yourself:

[Jones]

to be fair;

The latter opens up the mind to thought, the former closes it off by providing false doctrine. We are curious beings. It is why we have evolved to what we are. Religion hinders the growth of the mind by providing false ideals.

is probably why we should give up all hope that we can find something productive from this debate

[Tigron-X]

How is that being fair?

[Jones]

probably because your view seems to exclude many great people and ideals in many different religions

edit: my point with the to be fair statement is that on both sides (religion and science) there are great minds, great thinking and great rewards. Look at buddhism for example; their goal is to cultivate the mind by meditating...

[Galleleo]

Now I kinda hope that God exists, purely to make Tigron look like a fool with his pants on the ground.

[gran guerrero]

Yeah cause God's sole reason for showing his fat fucking face is to prove tigron wrong

meh God does work in mysterious ways

[gran guerrero]

[Tigron-X]

probably because your view seems to exclude many great people and ideals in many different religions

edit: my point with the to be fair statement is that on both sides (religion and science) there are great minds, great thinking and great rewards. Look at buddhism for example; their goal is to cultivate the mind by meditating...

What great rewards are you referencing? Who have I excluded?

My adherence to the rigors of science is because science points out the contradictions in the superstitious beliefs purported by the various religions. Reason dictates that ideals that cannot be supported by evidence are to be abandonded.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

Take your own example: Sure, meditation is good. But, you don't need to be a Buddhist to meditate, right? So, what about the rest of the ideals presented by the religion?

Take for example one of its core beliefs, "Suffering ceases when attachment to desire ceases."

This self explodes because you now have the desire to not be attached to desires.

In the end, religion and science are at odds. And, I'm not going to tolerate false ideals.

[Galleleo]

But you do tolerate racism?

I would rather have someone that goes to church every week and is just a cool, nice guy than you.

[gran guerrero]

I was arguing with my dad (who is extremely immersed into the religion of Islam) about his beliefs and shit and I gave him everything telling him why his beliefs are wrong but in the same token he had one argument that solidified his way of thinking.

In the realm of metaphysics there is a wall, one side its the mysterious plains of the unknown and you have no idea where the fuck you are going and where it will lead to. You just have to have faith that you chose the right path and continue forward. The other side is logical and real and you can clearly see what lays before you but its kind of... well boring. So you can either play it safe and stay on this side of the wall or you can accept the benefits and consequences of choosing the path that is more unknown. You might find God, you might find nothing but hell. Without faith though you are better off not even crossing the wall.

I kind of agree with him, but in the same sense I ask why is their a wall?? Who put it there, is it there for a specific reason? Maybe the path itself is not either side of the wall but the wall itself.

My dad and I are pink floyd fans if you couldnt tell

[Tigron-X]

But you do tolerate racism?

Well, let's see here. Do you have proof that one race is superior than the other? I haven't seen any. So, why would I believe it?

What does racism have to do with religiousity anyways?

I would rather have someone that goes to church every week and is just a cool, nice guy than you.

Why is that?

I was arguing with my dad (who is extremely immersed into the religion of Islam) about his beliefs and shit and I gave him everything telling him why his beliefs are wrong but in the same token he had one argument that solidified his way of thinking.

In the realm of metaphysics there is a wall, one side its the mysterious plains of the unknown and you have no idea where the fuck you are going and where it will lead to. You just have to have faith that you chose the right path and continue forward. The other side is logical and real and you can clearly see what lays before you but its kind of... well boring. So you can either play it safe and stay on this side of the wall or you can accept the benefits and consequences of choosing the path that is more unknown. You might find God, you might find nothing but hell. Without faith though you are better off not even crossing the wall.

I kind of agree with him, but in the same sense I ask why is their a wall?? Who put it there, is it there for a specific reason? Maybe the path itself is not either side of the wall but the wall itself.

My dad and I are pink floyd fans if you couldnt tell

Which part do you agree with?

[gran guerrero]

I agree that life is a fickle thing. We really don't know the entire absolute truth of what anything truly is. Some will try to explain it the best way possible, others will go off with their imagination. Doesn't matter what you choose (cause you'll never discover the answers that we seek in our own limited lifetime) The universe is way to complex and we can only assume to know what we think we do by what we can see. But there are things that can't be explained and are above our heads. Either you refute that shit like that exists or you can accept that there's something higher for us to comprehend.

If there truly was a God it would just be easier to just tell us what the whole meaning of life and our purpose is.. Perhaps God doesn't even care about us. Maybe there's no God. I can't give you definite answers and no one else can either. It is only arrogant and egotistical to say that you know the truth. With what evidence can you back yourself up on this matter, what can one do to understand... so many questions, too many twists and turns and eventually you will find yourself plunging down a rabbit hole of insanity and still utterly confused at the whole arrangements of life.

The best we can only do is just enjoy the fact that we are alive and make the best of it no matter how you choose to do so. We are an insignificant ass spec in the grand scheme of the universe that is. What makes us so special?? There could be 100 different Earths with people like ourselves out there that we haven't discovered (because of our limited technology).

Pick a belief and stick with it, but don't let it hold you back from learning and understanding the nature of things. Take pleasure in your choices but respect others choices as well. They are just as lost as you are and everyone else is in the same boat.

What the fuck do we really know anyways

[Burnt]

But there are things that can't be explained and are above our heads.

The logical response to this is admit that you simply don't know, but what religion does is to claim to have the answers to things that are simply unknowable.

It is only arrogant and egotistical to say that you know the truth.

and this is what religion does

[the_paul]

In the end, religion and science are at odds. And, I'm not going to tolerate false ideals.

Science and religion are not at odds. Science is simply too young to understand.

You are aware theres a lot of religious scientists right? If they can find the balance, who are you to say that it doesn't exist?