Holy Oily

[Vatican Assassin]

This is why most Canadians should be limited to discussing hockey and maple syrup.

In other news, yeah Ephe you're right about that. Even the news is hardly laying the blame on Obama at all, whereas if Bush was president still he would have been crucified by now. Most people on here laugh at Wark when he talks about the liberal bias in the media, but you can at least see why he'd think that based on this event alone. It'll be interesting to see how long this fiasco A) takes to disappear from the media, and B. takes to be cleaned up.

they havent stopped the leak yet but i wonder how long it till be til they clean it up

WAKE UP ALL SOUTH EAST AMERICA IS GOING TO BE TOXIC AND WILL BE EVACUATED HELLO

[Stylez]

This is why most Canadians should be limited to discussing hockey and maple syrup.

In other news, yeah Ephe you're right about that. Even the news is hardly laying the blame on Obama at all, whereas if Bush was president still he would have been crucified by now. Most people on here laugh at Wark when he talks about the liberal bias in the media, but you can at least see why he'd think that based on this event alone. It'll be interesting to see how long this fiasco A) takes to disappear from the media, and B. takes to be cleaned up.

The reason Obama isn't getting blamed as much as say, Bush, is because he immediately took responsibility for the incident. Something none of our other presidents have been able to do really.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...pill_response/

Plus, Obama also reacted to the situation with a quickness. Unlike Bush who waited way to long to get help for New Orleans, or help with the 9/11 tragedy, or send us to a meaningless war and pull our troops out, or, well, you get my point...

[D1st0rt]

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[Vatican Assassin]

The reason Obama isn't getting blamed as much as say, Bush, is because he immediately took responsibility for the incident. Something none of our other presidents have been able to do really.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...pill_response/

Plus, Obama also reacted to the situation with a quickness. Unlike Bush who waited way to long to get help for New Orleans, or help with the 9/11 tragedy, or send us to a meaningless war and pull our troops out, or, well, you get my point...

so sad that you fucking morons think there is a notable difference between bush and obama and you thin its ok to blame each other when the fucking nation is going down the shitter, great job guys

obama reacted with a quickness by doing.... ? fuck you idiot

[Stylez]

so sad that you fucking morons think there is a notable difference between bush and obama and you thin its ok to blame each other when the fucking nation is going down the shitter, great job guys

obama reacted with a quickness by doing.... ? fuck you idiot

1) I've always believed that being the president of The United States of America is nothing more than a ruse; being a political puppet. The big corporations are the ones with the real power and the say so in what happens in this country.

2) I do think there's a notable difference between Bush and Obama. One's white, the others black. One's an idiot and the other is a somewhat educated shit talker with no backbone.

3) He reacted quickly to the matter, but how the hell would you solve the largest oil disaster in U.S. history? It's not like he can really bullshit on the subject when it's right in the public eye.

4) I'm not placing blame on anyone. Where did you get that crap from?

5) The countries gone, in your own words, "down the shitter", plenty of times before, though that's what makes this nation so great is that we can go through adversities and yet still make it through in one piece.

You're basically blaming us for doing nothing because we're all too busy bickering amongst ourselves. In other words, you're pretty much doing exactly what you're preaching.

Also, I don't see you down there helping out with the oil leak. So, like they say, if you're not part of the solution, then you're more than likely part of the problem. Try to practice what you try so vulgarly to teach.

[Vatican Assassin]

1)

3) He reacted quickly to the matter, but how the hell would you solve the largest oil disaster in U.S. history? It's not like he can really bullshit on the subject when it's right in the public eye.

4) I'm not placing blame on anyone. Where did you get that crap from?

5) The countries gone, in your own words, "down the shitter", plenty of times before, though that's what makes this nation so great is that we can go through adversities and yet still make it through in one piece.

Obama could have started by not allowing BP to handle everything, and maybe think maybe their efforts would concentrate on hiding the problem instead of solving it. Remember how their first month's attempts to stop the leak were all ways of collecting as much oil as possible, not stopping it altogether? This is because they were still thinking of profits, still thinking about how big that reservoir and how much $ they can get from it. How many millions of gallons of Corexit 500 was dropped in the gulf, and how many less harmful chemicals are there out there? Mostly everyone knows that this particular chemical only serves to drop the oil below the surface and hide the oil, while at the same time making the problem much worse.

You aren't blaming anyone? read your post and tell me why you are talking about bush at this time, it looks like you are blaming him for unrelated events.

I watched the daily show last night and he was showing how all the pundits do is blame the presidents, the liberal ones blame bush, the conservative ones blame Clinton, well guess what, both of these parties are so fuckin corrupt, don't we all see that? Do we still believe in politicians once they get to a certain level? I don't.

We always make it through in once piece, until the time we don't, I think that's coming up. The first step I think is to stop blaming presidents, stop even thinking they are somewhat truthful, honest, upright citizens who just tried their best. These guys work with corporations as you know, that's why BP is telling coast guard personal to tell reporters to go away, thanks obama, ban all reporters from the gulf, that's the kind of action we need thanks stylez.

[Stylez]

Obama could have started by not allowing BP to handle everything, and maybe think maybe their efforts would concentrate on hiding the problem instead of solving it. Remember how their first month's attempts to stop the leak were all ways of collecting as much oil as possible, not stopping it altogether? This is because they were still thinking of profits, still thinking about how big that reservoir and how much $ they can get from it. How many millions of gallons of Corexit 500 was dropped in the gulf, and how many less harmful chemicals are there out there? Mostly everyone knows that this particular chemical only serves to drop the oil below the surface and hide the oil, while at the same time making the problem much worse.

You aren't blaming anyone? read your post and tell me why you are talking about bush at this time, it looks like you are blaming him for unrelated events.

I watched the daily show last night and he was showing how all the pundits do is blame the presidents, the liberal ones blame bush, the conservative ones blame Clinton, well guess what, both of these parties are so fuckin corrupt, don't we all see that? Do we still believe in politicians once they get to a certain level? I don't.

We always make it through in once piece, until the time we don't, I think that's coming up. The first step I think is to stop blaming presidents, stop even thinking they are somewhat truthful, honest, upright citizens who just tried their best. These guys work with corporations as you know, that's why BP is telling coast guard personal to tell reporters to go away, thanks obama, ban all reporters from the gulf, that's the kind of action we need thanks stylez.

Love how you deleted the first thing I talked about. Which would've saved you a terrible amount of time trying to explain the last portion of what you had typed, which you completely took me out of context by doing so.

I never blamed Bush, I was just merely replying to the previous comment with Bush's past "achievements" with what Obama is trying to do now with the oil disaster and emphasize the difference between the two. That's not placing blame, it's just being realistic, from my point-of-view.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I don't vote because I believe just that, that no matter who gets into office it will more than likely turn out similar in the end. I haven't been proven wrong yet.

Oh, I am 100% behind what's in your first paragraph. That's more than likely a fact. I wasn't saying his reasoning for what he's doing, I just said he did it quicker than most of our previous presidents would have done. I mean, I'm speaking on things that can't really be compared seeing as that we'll never know, though that's why I related to Bush and Obama.

Anyways, I think it's about time, for what ever reason it's taking as long as it is, for them to fix this problem.

EDIT: Also, could you imagine the slew of reporters that would try to put themselves in the way to get a good shot of the incident? I'm sure there are differing reasons for the Coast Guard being there, but that definitely could be one of them.

[sixtoo]

once again I state, Bush lifted the ban on off shore drilling hehe :P

who else can you blame but the corporate lobbyists who put pressure on the man at the top ...

anyway the drilling was being done further down then any submarines or anything can get to so its not like you can send a bunch of scuba divers down there to fix it... there won't be a possibility of cleaning this up....

[Vatican Assassin]

there won't be a possibility of cleaning this up....

I guess this is why I'm so pissed about people even talking about whether we should blame obama or bush, or did obama do enough in quick enough time etc, because the whole argument is just like people playing violin while the titanic goes down. From all indications that I get from the independent scientists is that this problem is beyond controllable, BP and Obama cannot possibly contain it, and the country is going to suffer more than we can imagine. And you might want to prepare for it somehow, buy beans and gold and ammo and shit I don't know. But I respect that you were able to continue to debate the subject with someone as vulgar as me, but I would appreciate it we would just stop even considering this government to be anything but totally corrupt.

[Jerome Scuggs]

i wonder what people will care about more... the day we finally clean up the spill or the day we figure out who did it

ps i have bags of this "holy oily" in my freezer, it's like a shit slushie in a ziploc bag

[sixtoo]

I guess this is why I'm so pissed about people even talking about whether we should blame obama or bush, or did obama do enough in quick enough time etc, because the whole argument is just like people playing violin while the titanic goes down. From all indications that I get from the independent scientists is that this problem is beyond controllable, BP and Obama cannot possibly contain it, and the country is going to suffer more than we can imagine. And you might want to prepare for it somehow, buy beans and gold and ammo and shit I don't know. But I respect that you were able to continue to debate the subject with someone as vulgar as me, but I would appreciate it we would just stop even considering this government to be anything but totally corrupt.

hah I whole humbly agree that at this point we're beyond blaming anyone. I have no qualms about any of the points made and I did not say what I said to offend anyone I apologize if it did however

So most of the oil being spooged is being done 1000's of feet down, maybe metres it was a late night show and I was half in the bag.... but from what I gathered alot of what is showing on the topside isn't even compared to what is actually being done below.... so if it gets in the Gulf stream, this small issue that some are only thinking will effect those poor souls down in the lower side of the states will actually come up and spread out possibly all the way up to Greenland...

Prof. Peter Ward (book link) joined Ian Punnett for a discussion on how the BP oil spill in the Gulf will impact the delicate ecosystems of the world's oceans, and potentially trigger a series of events, including global sea level rise, that could devastate our planet. According to a recent Associated Press article, an estimated 2 billion gallons of oil could end up pouring into the Gulf over the next few years if the leak can't be stopped. That much oil would destroy plankton (the base of the ocean's food chain) and completely wipe out nearshore ecosystems, Ward explained, noting that it is the equivalent of a two-mile diameter asteroid slamming into the region.

Prevailing currents could spread the leak to other areas, such as the Atlantic Ocean. There the heat-absorbing oil-water mix would likely interfere with thermohaline circulation, the vital cycle that carries oxygenated water to the deep ocean, causing the death of marine life at the bottom of the sea, Ward continued. The increased temperatures would speed the melting of Greenland's ice sheet as well. "If all the ice on Greenland melts, we go up 24 feet of sea level," he noted. In addition, Ward said one of the scariest prospects of the spill will be the massive quantity of poisonous hydrogen sulfide gas that will be produced as the oil breaks down. And there's even more to worry about.

Burning of the surface oil in the Gulf is contributing to higher carbon dioxide emissions, something Ward believes will exacerbate global warming and hasten the melting of arctic ice. A sea level rise of just three feet would be enough to destroy up to 20% of human agriculture, as well as cost $15-$30 trillion to retrofit shipping docks for the new sea level, he said. Ward expects such an increase in sea level to occur within the next several decades (based on current warming trends), and thinks it will lead to conflict between nations as populations increase and usable land is lost to the rising oceans. Ward suggested safe places to live in the future will be located in the Pacific Northwest mountains and Appalachian regions of the country.

thats some crazy ish right there, yes 20 years down the line is quite some ways away, we could start building arcs in the meantime, considering it only took steve carrel a few hours :P

[sixtoo]

i wonder what people will care about more... the day we finally clean up the spill or the day we figure out who did it

ps i have bags of this "holy oily" in my freezer, it's like a shit slushie in a ziploc bag

I don't know about you, but I'm down with Lynching oil dependence completely, over turning the way our side of the pond does politics, smother out lobbyists as a whole, and promote the realization that this will never be cleaned up, just swept under the rug like any other issue no one wants us to hear about

[sixtoo]

with the chemicals they're mixing in with the oil to disperse it, the chemicals are combining with the oil and evaporating.. guess what happens after that?


oily rain (although not black oil, but still oily nonetheless):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_622815.html

I believe this was also considered but the chemicals would be more deadly then the oil itself and cause even worse effects, even nuclear weapon was thought of, something Russia would have done itself if this happened off of their coast lol

[sixtoo]

Quote:
Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event

by Terrence Aym

Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]

55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).

The LPTM lasted 100,000 years. [3]

Those subterranean seas of methane virtually reshaped the planet when they explosively blew from deep beneath the waters of what is today called the Gulf of Mexico.

Now, worried scientists are increasingly concerned the same series of catastrophic events that led to worldwide death back then may be happening again-and no known technology can stop it.

The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years.

The oil giant drilled down miles into a geologically unstable region and may have set the stage for the eventual premature release of a methane mega-bubble.

Ryskin’s methane extinction theory

Northwestern University's Gregory Ryskin, a bio-chemical engineer, has a theory: The oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas. He has documented the scientific evidence that such an event was directly responsible for the mass extinctions that occurred 55 million years ago. [4]

Many geologists concur: "The consequences of a methane-driven oceanic eruption for marine and terrestrial life are likely to be catastrophic. Figuratively speaking, the erupting region "boils over," ejecting a large amount of methane and other gases (e.g., CO2, H2S) into the atmosphere, and flooding large areas of land. Whereas pure methane is lighter than air, methane loaded with water droplets is much heavier, and thus spreads over the land, mixing with air in the process (and losing water as rain). The air-methane mixture is explosive at methane concentrations between 5% and 15%; as such mixtures form in different locations near the ground and are ignited by lightning, explosions and conflagrations destroy most of the terrestrial life, and also produce great amounts of smoke and of carbon dioxide..." [5]

The warning signs of an impending planetary catastrophe—of such great magnitude that the human mind has difficulty grasping it-would be the appearance of large fissures or rifts splitting open the ocean floor, a rise in the elevation of the seabed, and the massive venting of methane and other gases into the surrounding water.

Such occurrences can lead to the rupture of the methane bubble containment—it can then permit the methane to breach the subterranean depths and undergo an explosive decompression as it catapults into the Gulf waters. [6]

All three warning signs are documented to be occurring in the Gulf.

Ground zero: The Gulf Coast

The people and property located on the greater expanse of the Gulf Coast are sitting at Ground Zero. They will be the first exposed to poisonous, cancer causing chemical gases. They will be the ones that initially experience the full fury of a methane bubble exploding from the ruptured seabed.

The media has been kept away from the emergency salvage measures being taken to forestall the biggest catastrophe in human history. The federal government has warned them away from the epicenter of operations with the threat of a $40,000 fine for each infraction and the possibility of felony arrests.

Why is the press being kept away? Word is that the disaster is escalating.

Cracks and bulges

Methane is now streaming through the porous, rocky seabed at an accelerated rate and gushing from the borehole of the first relief well. The EPA is on record that Rig #1 is releasing methane, benzene, hydrogen sulfide and other toxic gases. Workers there now wear advanced protection including state-of-the-art, military-issued gas masks.

Reports, filtering through from oceanologists and salvage workers in the region, state that the upper level strata of the ocean floor is succumbing to greater and greater pressure. That pressure is causing a huge expanse of the seabed-estimated by some as spreading over thousands of square miles surrounding the BP wellhead-to bulge. Some claim the seabed in the region has risen an astounding 30 feet.

The fractured BP wellhead, site of the former Deepwater Horizon, has become the epicenter of frenetic attempts to quell the monstrous flow of methane.

The subterranean methane is pressurized at 100,000 pounds psi. According to Matt Simmons, an oil industry expert, the methane pressure at the wellhead has now skyrocketed to a terrifying 40,000 pounds psi.

Another well-respected expert, Dr. John Kessler of Texas A&M University has calculated that the ruptured well is spewing 60 percent oil and 40 percent methane. The normal methane amount that escapes from a compromised well is about 5 percent.

More evidence? A huge gash on the ocean floor—like a ragged wound hundreds of feet long—has been reported by the NOAA research ship, Thomas Jefferson. Before the curtain of the government enforced news blackout again descended abruptly, scientists aboard the ship voiced their concerns that the widening rift may go down miles into the earth.

That gash too is hemorrhaging oil and methane. It’s 10 miles away from the BP epicenter. Other, new fissures, have been spotted as far as 30 miles distant.

Measurements of the multiple oil plumes now appearing miles from the wellhead indicate that as much as a total of 124,000 barrels of oil are erupting into the Gulf waters daily-that’s about 5,208,000 gallons of oil per day.

Most disturbing of all: Methane levels in the water are now calculated as being almost one million times higher than normal. [7]

Mass death on the water

If the methane bubble—a bubble that could be as big as 20 miles wide—erupts with titanic force from the seabed into the Gulf, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will immediately sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists participating in the salvage operation will die instantly.

Next, the ocean bottom will collapse, instantaneously displacing up to a trillion cubic feet of water or more and creating a towering supersonic tsunami annihilating everything along the coast and well inland. Like a thermonuclear blast, a high pressure atmospheric wave could precede the tidal wave flattening everything in its path before the water arrives.

When the roaring tsunami does arrive it will scrub away all that is left.

A chemical cocktail of poisons

Some environmentalist experts are calling what’s pouring into the land, sea and air from the seabed breach ’a chemical cocktail of poisons.’

Areas of dead zones devoid of oxygen are driving species of fish into foreign waters, killing plankton and other tiny sea life that are the foundation for the entire food chain, and polluting the air with cancer-causing chemicals and poisonous rainfalls.

A report from one observer in South Carolina documents oily residue left behind after a recent thunderstorm. And before the news blackout fully descended the EPA released data that benzene levels in New Orleans had rocketed to 3,000 parts per billion.

Benzene is extremely toxic and even short term exposure can cause agonizing death from cancerous lesions years later.

The people of Louisiana have been exposed for more than two months—and the benzene levels may be much higher now. The EPA measurement was taken in early May. [8]

Doomsday

While some say it can’t happen because the bulk of the methane is frozen into crystalline form, others point out that the underground methane sea is gradually melting from the nearby surging oil that’s estimated to be as hot as 500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Most experts in the know, however, agree that if the world-changing event does occur it will happen suddenly and within the next 6 months.

So, if events go against Mankind and the bubble bursts in the coming months, Gregory Ryskin may become one of the most famous people in the world. Of course, he won't have long to enjoy his new found fame because very shortly after the methane eruption civilization will collapse.

Perhaps if humanity is very, very lucky, some may find a way to avoid the mass extinction that follows and carry on the human race.

I found this news reel http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-...-killing-event

[sixtoo]

and this one right here

BP Probe: Blowout Triggered by Methane Gas

Internal Documents Suggest Methane Gas Bubble Shot up Drill Column, Bursting Through Barriers Before Exploding

(AP) The deadly blowout of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico was triggered by a bubble of methane gas that escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding, according to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP's internal investigation.

The timeline described in the documents provides the most detailed account of what may have caused the April 20 blast that killed 11 workers and touched off the underwater gusher that has poured more than 3 million gallons of crude into the Gulf.

Portions of the interviews, two written and one taped, were read to an Associated Press reporter by Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety and worked for BP PLC as a risk assessment consultant during the 1990s. He received them from industry friends seeking his expert opinion.

Seven BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts. Meanwhile, far below, the rig was being converted from an exploration well to a production well.

As the workers removed pressure from the drilling column and introduced heat to set the cement seal around the wellhead, the chemical reaction created a gas bubble and the cement around the pipe destabilized, according to the interviews.

Deep beneath the seafloor, methane gas is in a slushy, crystalline form. But as the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through the rig's various safety barriers, the interviews said.

"A small bubble becomes a really big bubble," Bea said. "So the expanding bubble becomes like a cannon shooting the gas into your face."

Up on the rig, the first thing workers noticed was the seawater in the drill column suddenly shooting back out at them, rocketing 240 feet in the air. Then, the gas surfaced. Then the oil.

"What we had learned when I worked as a drill rig laborer was swoosh, boom, run," Bea said. "The swoosh is the gas, boom is the explosion and run is what you better be doing."

The gas flooded into an adjoining room with exposed ignition sources, he said.

"That's where the first explosion happened," said Bea, who worked for Shell Oil in the 1960s during the last big northern Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout. "The mud room was next to the quarters where the party was. Then there was a series of explosions that subsequently ignited the oil that was coming from below."

The executives were injured but survived. Nine rig crew on the rig floor and two engineers died, according to one account.

"The furniture and walls trapped some and broke some bones but they managed to get in the life boats with assistance from others," said the transcript.

The reports made the 73-year-old industry veteran cry.

"It sure as hell is painful," he said. "Tears of frustration and anger."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6468952.shtml