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[Xog]

Try telling me Mohegan sun, which is like 20 minutes the other way from Foxwoods, is suffering economically. I will laugh in your face. Mohegan Sun is like one of the biggest casinos in the entire nation. The last of the mohegans sure as fuck didn't do too badly for themselves with that one.

Since I love spoiling jokes and confusing the fuck out of everybody,

Of all the tribes of North America, the Mahican and Mohegan tribes are probably the ones most frequently confused. Even ordinarily reliable online sources like the Ethnologue of Languages and Wikipedia are incorrectly lumping these peoples together. This confusion is nothing new, either--in the 19th-century classic "Last of the Mohicans," James Fenimore Cooper famously confused important details from at least these two tribes (he may have gotten the idea of a tribe on the verge of extinction from a third Algonquian tribe of New England, since neither the Mahicans nor the Mohegans were in this situation.)

Anyway, so we get asked a lot whether these two tribes are really the same and whether their names are the same and whether they spoke the same language. First, no, they are not the same tribe and never have been. They were kinfolk and shared many cultural traits, like other Algonquian peoples of New England, but they were no more closely related to each other than they were to the Lenape, the Munsee, the Wampanoag, the Abenaki, and dozens of other New England tribes whose names were less confusingly similar. Second, the names were not so similar before English speakers got ahold of them. The Mohegans called themselves Mahiingan, "wolf," and the Mahicans called themselves Muheconneok, their name for the Hudson River. And third, the languages were not the same. They were related to each other, like English and German, but were different enough that colonists who had learned one language could not communicate with the other tribe. (Most of the Indians in this area were multilingual themselves, so it is hard to tell from historical accounts how mutually comprehensible the languages were.)

[Exalt]

you are such a fucking moron dismiss all genocide from 1600-1950, dismiss fact that all the indians were forced to leave their homes at bayonet point while their weak family members died on the road side, and you get that we "gave them free land" you are such an idiot man

IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE PRIDE IN YOUR NATION, AND STILL HAVE THE HUMILITY TO RECOGNIZE IT'S MISTAKES, LEARNING REAL HISTORY IS A GREAT WAY TO NOT REPEAT THEM

or you can keep thinking america has done no wrong, we treated the indians great, and we love the muslims too and there is nothing similar about what we're doing to either peoples

America obviously did wrong, but what happened hundreds of years ago is of no consequence to anyone living today. None, at all, zero..zip... nada...nothing... 0. Any Native American born in this day and age has nothing to do with anything that happened hundreds of years ago, the same as any white American born in this day and age has nothing to do with anything the US government did to any Native American hundreds of years ago.

I'm so tired of the excuses all of you people use to get free government money and handouts. Get a fucking job, make your own fucking money, pay your fucking taxes, and make your own success. Stop begging the government for handouts you piece of shit liberal fucks.

Also, I get pissed off when I see some native american say the US government killed his people by supplying them with alcohol. Where is the responsiblity? Where does it start? It's the GOVERNMENT'S fault that the indians are alcoholics now? Is there ANY responsibility from you people whatsoever? No wonder this country is a shit hole now. It's liberalistic fucks that refuse to force people to take responsibility for themselves that saps this country of what we are. Socialism is killing America, and it's people like you that support it. Free handouts goes against capitalism, democracy, and everything this country stood for. The american dream forces you to actually work hard to gain something, but you do gain quite a bit by doing it. Giving things for nothing just forces hard working americans, their children, and their children's children to pay for the mistakes of our leaders right now who are giving liberal fucks like you everything for free. You are living comfortably on your asses doing nothing off the backs of hardworking honest middle class americans. I find that bullshit, so yes... fuck you.


I sure as fuck don't see my family or any other white American family getting free land, free money, free college simply for being white, or anything else that is completely free simply for being fortunate enough to be born a specific race. So... if natives were wronged in the 1800s... those people at that time frame probably were born in America the same time as any white American. I understand that natives may have been wronged, but are you suggesting that, for instance, the Irish immigrants were not wronged as well? What about the blacks? The chinese? Any Immigrant at all? They were all wronged too in many ways. Where are their reperations? Where is their free land? Where is their free college simply for being born of that specific race? Why don't they deserve everything for free as well? Why do the native americans, who are simply just lucky to be born of a specific race at this point (none of them have been wronged individually, nor have any of their close reletives) get everything for free, while the rest of us have to pay for it simply because we were born of another race? I sure as fuck didn't have anything to do with the Native Americans in the 1600s. I know none of my close ancestors did either. Why do I get shafted while they get free shit? Why does the black men, the chinese man, the Indian Indian man, the Arab, any other race in the world, why do they not get free land too?

The fact of the matter is, Native Americans do not deserve anything more than what they have already been given. Their families and their people have all been given free land on American soil that is worse millions upon millions of dollars. That was free. We gave them land, and we give them free college education to better themselves individually. If they choose not to take that, and they drink their lives away, why is the government responsible? We give them more than enough for people who are not the ones who were wronged. They are simply born of a specific race, which is completely random in the grand scheme of things. The Native American people should count their lucky stars that they were born in the United States of America instead of a third world country in Africa ravaged by famine and Aids and civil war. That is enough of a prize in and of itself.

[Astrogirl]

And you suck astrobitch, go drown yourself in the sauce some more instead of trying to be intelligent on the forums you useless whore.

It wouldn't even matter if you did know actual truth, you still wouldn't be able to do anything.

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So wait... the country goes into a recession, and once again... being allowed to have a casino (which is hard enough as is) on free land the government just GAVE you (which consequently is worth millions upon millions, especially in connecticut), isn't enough, all because of an economic downturn? Really? Did you honestly just say that? We should give the native americans MORE, because they are now suffering financially?

Try telling me Mohegan sun, which is like 20 minutes the other way from Foxwoods, is suffering economically. I will laugh in your face. Mohegan Sun is like one of the biggest casinos in the entire nation. The last of the mohegans sure as fuck didn't do too badly for themselves with that one.

Ok, to start off...The Mohegan Sun casino's owners had been given stimulus money, thanks to Idiot Chris Dodd, a total of $54 million in stimulus money. A Casino got that money and not the manufacturing and other industries and workers that are in dire need. Maybe if they didn't get that money they would be in the same position Foxwoods is in????

But you take a part of what I wrote and dismiss that the land we stole that was given by treaty and then taken away while breaking every deal agreed upon and this is all ok as well as should be forgotten in our own countires history? The casinos are the sole reason why all is ok in your book and justifies the over 250,000 deaths of native americans?

BTW, my families business made a shitload of money of both Mohegan and Foxwoods. Anything you see made architecturally from Fiberglass was made by my company and or 2 other FRP manufacturers that we split contract work with. I am well aware of the monies casino's make as we have been building them for over 40 years and if your thinking that the Native Americans got a great deal because they got land in CT for this, try giving them back the entire State of IL that was originally their land and a territory agreed upon by the US Govt. to allow them this territory until we started making new treaties that we broke one after the other:


Check out these deals:

1803 Treaty at Vincennes
1804 Treaty at Vincennes
1804 Treaty with the Sauk-Fox
Sauk-Fox Treaty of 1815-1816

To use the term "Indian Giver" in a correct context, should be applied to the US Government and the Anglo White Man in how they fucked over the Native Americans. For example...the so called land we gave as you noted (like it was ours from the beginning of time for the white man) to the Native Americans in CT. There was a lawsuit that contested the illegal appropriation of reservation lands by the state of Connecticut and the local tribe won, giving the tribe a total of 2.17 sq. miles of land. Shit, Wal Marts are built on sites this big in strip centers and you bitch about CT giving land to Indians? That ritefully was theirs to begin with?

[Exalt]

Shit, Wal Marts are built on sites this big in strip centers and you bitch about CT giving land to Indians? That ritefully was theirs to begin with?

I won't quote the entire post, because I understand what you are saying, but let me rephrase what I have been saying to you one more time.

EVERY single native american, count them... EVERY SINGLE ONE, who is alive today, had NOTHING to do with any of those treaties that occurred in our nations past. Let me also say, that EVERY SINGLE PERSON living today, EVERY SINGLE ONE living on American soil, despite their race, nationality, religious beliefs, creed, occupation, gender, sexual preference, whatever... had ANYTHING to do with ANY OF THOSE TREATIES.

NOBODY living today had anything to do with what happened in the past. ALSO, even if we did give them that land, whose to say they would be better off with it? If we weakened our own nation, one which is one of the greatest nations in the world when compared to most others, simply to give indians free land for wrongs that none of us had anything to do with, what would that solve? What would it fix? What would it prove?

Simply put, to be born of any race, gender, nationality is a random chance of fate and your little sperm cell won the little race to the mother's egg. It's a random chance that your parents had sex, and it's a random chance that you were ever born of that little sperm cell. Whatever race you are, it doesn't matter. It was a random chance.

That being said, no one is responsible for anything from the past. Nobody. If you are lucky enough to trace your ancestors back to that time frame, congradulations, but it doesn't mean shit. It means the nation's past leaders made mistakes. That doesn't mean their children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children's children had anything to do with it, nor should they pay for it.

What was given is exactly what is deserved. The natives have free land that was appropriated in the past, and they accepted it. They get free college simply for being native american. They get free money from the government simply for having the random chance to have been born native american instead of african living in a third world country. Congratz to them, but I sure as fuck don't owe them shit, and neither does the United States Government.



Also, whose to say the Indians ever "owned" any of this land? Did we not have an American Revolution and fought our own war to have a right to this land ourselves? Did the natives not fight for their own land, and lose? Us even giving them the possibility to FREE land, without buying it, is a gift, not a burden that we owe them. Simply put, the Americans came and we took over the country. We owned it after we came, not them. They lost the war vs the white man, and so they have to live by the white man's rules. If they get shafted, so be it. Go move to Mexico or Canada if you don't like it. Go buy some of your own land with your own money that you earned through having your own job. If you can't do that, then fuck off. I owe them nothing, and you owe them nothing. None of us get free land for being born a specific race, which is completely random, and therefore neither do they.

The ONLY people that deserve ANYTHING in this country, if anyone deserves any free land or education whatsoever, would be the relatives of those who fought in the American Revolution. You don't see them get anything for free, but on their backs was this country won. The natives helped the British too, or did you forget that critical piece of history? Do we owe the natives that helped the British in the Revolution too, simply because they are natives? By your standards, we do. Although, it seems to me, they fought against us in a war, and lost. I don't see any other conquering nation in the entire world ever appropriate anything to the losing nation. The losing nation deals with it, assimulates into the new culture, and moves on with their lives. That's the way of the world.


To say that any race of people "deserves" anything over another race of people, all things being equal in this country, is racist and goes against everything this country stands for in the constitution and declaration of independence. It goes against everything this country ever stood for. It's racist as fuck, and it's wrong. For natives to "claim" land simply because someone wronged their FAR distance ancestors is ridiculous at best, and racist and wrong at the worst. They should have the same standards as the rest of the world does in working for what they receive, and paying for it through their own money.

[Xog]

[Exalt]

I bet this guy wishes he got the completely random chance to be born a native american, and live in the United States of America, and get land for free, and free money, and free college education, all for having the random chance of being born the race of native american, instead of being born a black man in South Africa.

[Galleleo]

I don't really read this thread, because it's mostly bullshit.

But I just wanted to say that the US "saving" Europe in WWII is the biggest load of bollocks ever. You guys like throwing that out there, but then we can just say: If it wasn't for Europe, there would be no US in the first place. If it wasn't for France you would still be ruled by Britain.

[Galleleo]

I bet this guy wishes he got the completely random chance to be born a native american, and live in the United States of America, and get land for free, and free money, and free college education, all for having the random chance of being born the race of native american, instead of being born a black man in South Africa.

You can't even know the guy is South-African...

[Tigron-X]

So wait... this was a US thing alone, right? So like... all those other countries in a WORLD WAR weren't involved in raping Germany economically after the US stepped in and helped the Allies, right? SO like... It wasn't the other countries fighting Germany in WW1 that did anything to allow the Nazi Party and Hitler gain power... it was like... all Americans... right man? Right? So like... Germany had nothing to do with allowing a skitzo fascist party lead their nation, right? So like... America is to blame for everything wrong in the world and all of it's past history, right? So like.. American made the Nazi's go to war in WW2, right? So like... America/Canada/Australia/Britian saving Europe in WW2, while a shit ton of other countries AROUND THE WORLD did nothing, were like... all to blame for WW2, not the Nazi's, because America caused the problem right? SO like... hitler never would've came into power without America fucking everyone up, and like... Europe wouldve been better without America joining in and policing the world with their bullshit imperialism... right? So like... Fuck America, because they should've just let the Nazis win, those arrogant fucks... always trying to police the world and be superman... fucking america... right?

Yeah... that big jumbo jet plane that just flew over your head, on the bottom, it said, "America is to be blamed for everything."

I'm so glad you didn't miss it.


Let me just make something clear here. I'm not solely anti-american just like a doctor isn't solely anti-leukemia. Every single government past, present, and future is, has been, and will be a cancer to the world.

The state is by definition a group of individuals who claim the moral and legal right to initiate force against others, no moral good can come out of the initiation of violence.

I don't care what country you're from;
I don't care what religion you subscribe to;
I don't care what profession you entered into;
I don't care what you've achieved;
I don't care what color your skin is;
I don't care what your heritage is;
I don't care what line of nobility or royalty you might be from...

As long as you are willing to pick up the gun in the room and point it at someone and dictate what he/she should do, then you're the fucking scum of the Earth!

And just because it's a democracy and everyone gets a chance to vote as to who the gun will be pointed at, I DON'T CARE! YOU'RE STILL FUCKING SCUM FOR SUPPORTING VIOLENCE AGAINST OTHERS!

[Xog]

You can't even know the guy is South-African...

It's pretty hard to travel without money in Africa. Assuming this picture was taken from the WC in south africa, I'd put my money on him being south african..

[Zeebu]

n rt now i point my gun at u n say git off ma lawn

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The natives helped the British too, or did you forget that critical piece of history?

I guess you didn't read that I made note of the French Indian War...that was against the Brits in case you didn't know that.

For natives to "claim" land simply because someone wronged their FAR distance ancestors is ridiculous at best, and racist and wrong at the worst. They should have the same standards as the rest of the world does in working for what they receive, and paying for it through their own money.

Did you note that in my last post it was proven that the State of CT gave land to the Indians and stole it from them and the Indians ritefully won the court case in getting back what was ritefully theres to begin with.

I bet this guy wishes he got the completely random chance to be born a native american, and live in the United States of America, and get land for free, and free money, and free college education, all for having the random chance of being born the race of native american, instead of being born a black man in South Africa.

Why couldn't he come to the US for free education. All these foreign students that get fully paid educations in the US under bullshit scholorships and grants to Afrikan and Asian countries. That is nothing new and was really inflated under Regan. All these people coming here to become Doctors and go back to their homeland....that's bullshit and our tax dollars pay for these students and at the same time deprive US citizens the chance to go to college. It's a fucked up world isn't it

[Galleleo]

It's pretty hard to travel without money in Africa. Assuming this picture was taken from the WC in south africa, I'd put my money on him being south african..

I like your assumption that all Africans are poor. Because there have been plenty of African people flocking to RSA for the World Cup, also you can buy those Vuvuzela's anywhere nowadays, so that picture could have been taken anywhere. Hell, the guy could be German.

That's just retarded, but then again you're Xog... I shouldn't be surprised

[Xog]

I like your assumption that all Africans are poor. Because there have been plenty of African people flocking to RSA for the World Cup, also you can buy those Vuvuzela's anywhere nowadays, so that picture could have been taken anywhere. Hell, the guy could be German.

That's just retarded, but then again you're Xog... I shouldn't be surprised

I like your assumption that I assumed that all Africans are poor. I know better than that! My co-worker is from Liberia and I can tell you from what she's described and what I've seen from pictures that it's absolutely beautiful there. I'd love to travel to Africa. She's also explained in the past that most people think Africa's such a poor place everywhere and it's looked down upon but they have some of the most beautiful places in the world there, not to mention business.

Lets be honest, a lot of people in Africa would not be able to afford traveling to another country like that. It's not because they're poor, but it's the same here. I would not be able to afford to go to Canada or Mexico to see a football game, on top of purchasing World Cup tickets.