Democracy in the arab world?

[Jerome Scuggs]

you mean you assume I don't qualify it, right? Or are we now listing our CV after every post we make?

what the hell is a CV

i don't know any arabic, probably won't ever learn it (but hey i'm not discounting the chance that there is a giant quantum reconstruction and i mysteriously warp to syria and live out my days as a simple sheepherder thus necessitating the need), but i am basing my assertion that fridays aren't as important as you think on two facts. the first is that, as far as i can tell, the islamic god is far more... laid back? than the god of christian theology. most of the surats that i have read which dictate various practices will have exception and disclaimers - the most obvious example is ramadan, where the quran makes exceptions for people who are ill or traveling, basically saying 'it's all good sick and travelling bro's, just do some fasting later when you are safe and ready'. i think the quran would make exceptions to important days if there were more pressing issues, and i'm willing to bed that a revolt in the name of establishing an islamic government would be seen as a justifiable excuse to maybe slack a little on fridays... especially considering that non-muslims would definitely not pause to allow their enemies to simply pause the party. now if it was a muslim-on-muslim conflict, perhaps you might have more merit in your argument... but if two groups of muslims are fighting, then obviously one group considers the other group to not be 'true' muslims and whatnot.

that first fact i then combined with the second piece of information that i have, which is the historical record... i just don't find anywhere where hostilities were ceased or held back due to it being friday. as far as the body count is concerned, friday is statistically the same as any other day.

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I hope the sphynx is okay, our Neptunian overlords will be upset come 2012 if it's not...

[Crescent Seal]

feel right at home?

+1

[Galleleo]

what the hell is a CV

Curriculum Vitae, it's your résumé.

Edit: Why is everyone assuming that this is about creating a muslim government? The muslim brotherhood (which isn't even radical) is just one of the parties supporting the protests.

[kthx]

Yeah, but The Muslim Brotherhood is also a huge financial backer of this coup anyways, It would be irresponsible to pretend that the peace between Egypt and Israel will survive once and if the protesters manage to take over the country, which looks more likely to happen each day.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Curriculum Vitae, it's your résumé.

Edit: Why is everyone assuming that this is about creating a muslim government? The muslim brotherhood (which isn't even radical) is just one of the parties supporting the protests.

yeah via my posts i guess you could infer this, but i don't believe that the people want a radical islamic government. the protestors i've seen are definitely doing the whole "its not about religion it's about our rights" thing. but the muslim brotherhood are definitely one of the major players poised to fill the power vacuum if mubarak's government completely collapses. of course, that assertion is probably being drastically exxagerated in the western media in order to generate sympathy for an american intervention.

ideally, noone intervenes, muslim brotherhood siezes power and resumes the same repression that mubarak's regime did (under completely different auspices of course), and they also get booted out power via elections or revolt, which would help neuter the muslim brotherhood party and be perceived as an example of egyptian self-determination. but, you know how these things go, there are so many factors that it's hard to tell what happens

[paradise!]

what the hell is a CV

i don't know any arabic, probably won't ever learn it (but hey i'm not discounting the chance that there is a giant quantum reconstruction and i mysteriously warp to syria and live out my days as a simple sheepherder thus necessitating the need), but i am basing my assertion that fridays aren't as important as you think on two facts. the first is that, as far as i can tell, the islamic god is far more... laid back? than the god of christian theology. most of the surats that i have read which dictate various practices will have exception and disclaimers - the most obvious example is ramadan, where the quran makes exceptions for people who are ill or traveling, basically saying 'it's all good sick and travelling bro's, just do some fasting later when you are safe and ready'. i think the quran would make exceptions to important days if there were more pressing issues, and i'm willing to bed that a revolt in the name of establishing an islamic government would be seen as a justifiable excuse to maybe slack a little on fridays... especially considering that non-muslims would definitely not pause to allow their enemies to simply pause the party. now if it was a muslim-on-muslim conflict, perhaps you might have more merit in your argument... but if two groups of muslims are fighting, then obviously one group considers the other group to not be 'true' muslims and whatnot.

that first fact i then combined with the second piece of information that i have, which is the historical record... i just don't find anywhere where hostilities were ceased or held back due to it being friday. as far as the body count is concerned, friday is statistically the same as any other day.

I wish you knew how hard you are preaching to the choir dude. I used to work the shit out of the Musafir excuse in high school, I believe its 20 miles to be counted as musafir. because i use to drive to the city and eat on campus because the guilt of breaking fast incorrectly. clearly, This was before the whole concept of "intention" had completely formed in my head.

As i said, being out of the religion game for awhile i am rusty, but i don't believe friday violence is explicitly discouraged in the qu'ran. however, the universal and selective importance of salaat al jum'ah is self-evident. it has its own surah/chapter, multiple ayats. It is customary to see friday as a day of remembrance of Allah. and it is considered a weekly Eid.Those who chose to kill on a day like this are truly the one's who are twisting the words, but they will claim to be one of those muslims who have sacrificed all to allah and are left to die with only allah between them, nothing and no one else. Like someone trying to be more catholic than pope.

This is all fuzzy though dude remember, don't sound so official eh? An uprising of the ages, or more specifically an uprising to define the revolution going on in Cairo on a friday would break customary and societal law. Perfectly plausible to argue the opposite with a support like: "you are inflating the value of friday" and "it doesn't break customary law to the degree which you are thinking", but again this is gray area.

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[Galleleo]

Egypt is showing how shit can work. Everyone is making this about Christians vs. Muslims, and what not. It's only about the Egyptian people wanting to get rid of Mubarak and wanting a democratic process. The Muslim brotherhood (again not a radical party) is one of the parties.

In fact the main player right now is Mohamed ElBaradei is an independent. The leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohammed Badie, isn't even seen as one of the big contenders for any major role in a possible new government.

[gran guerrero]

I see a lot of Iran's revolution happening here

say that they did get rid of mubarak, then what?

Who will be the new leader?

They have multiple parties fighting over it and there will be blood. Eventually in the long run, the Islamic Party will win out because of the surrounding countries supporting another Islamic Power

[paradise!]

I see a lot of Iran's revolution happening here

say that they did get rid of mubarak, then what?

Who will be the new leader?

They have multiple parties fighting over it and there will be blood. Eventually in the long run, the Islamic Party will win out because of the surrounding countries supporting another Islamic Power

lol except the iranians were chanting "down with Mubarak AND down with israel and the US." in tehran yesterday.

and the ayatollah is openly saying suleyman is a mossad puppet and ben ali was basically used as toilet paper by the US. The egyptian protesters aren't chanting any anti-western or anti-israel things because they are trying to appeal for US support. So no american flag and star of david burning this week folks!

the protesters will never accept suleyman as president, that's almost funny. The man has allegedly strong connections to mossad and high officials in jerusalem. The US wants him in just so the egyptians stfu and quit "forcing" speculators to inflate gas prices due to illusory fears.

the muslim brotherhood will win regardless, mubarak was rough with them, now they will do what hezbollah did in lebanon, have deep roots in government, but on the surface just another far-right party.

[gran guerrero]

lol except the iranians were chanting "down with Mubarak AND down with israel and the US." in tehran yesterday.

and the ayatollah is openly saying suleyman is a mossad puppet and ben ali was basically used as toilet paper by the US. The egyptian protesters aren't chanting any anti-western or anti-israel things because they are trying to appeal for US support. So no american flag and star of david burning this week folks!

the protesters will never accept suleyman as president, that's almost funny. The man has allegedly strong connections to mossad and high officials in jerusalem. The US wants him in just so the egyptians stfu and quit "forcing" speculators to inflate gas prices due to illusory fears.

The Iranian Revolution of 1979

[Mantra-Slider]

lol paradise

[Jerome Scuggs]

Perfectly plausible to argue the opposite with a support like: "you are inflating the value of friday" and "it doesn't break customary law to the degree which you are thinking", but again this is gray area.

This. The 'entire surat' is 11 lines long and urges muslims to pray on friday - and then after prayer, they are free to do what they want. Refer to Galleleo's posted photo

[paradise!]

The Iranian Revolution of 1979

I know, except the iranian revolution had its foundation in the ayatollah and his philosophies

so one would assume the rough equivalent is the muslim brotherhood, but the muslim brotherhood is a singular party with only some influence. the protesters are open to westernization, this seems to be their defining characteristic, as they are APPEALING for western help. the iranians revolution was rooted in regressive sharia.

if you watch Press-TV or Muscat/or Oman-TV all they talk about is Al-Afghani and the protesters mimicing his views. al-afghani recognized growing western pressures and encouraged a dynamic islam, and basically say fuck it to the defining staticism of sharia.