Pro-life or pro-choice?

[Welfare]

stem cells ftw

[DoTheFandango]

Genetic disorder bullshit is not bullshit. It's not as high as everyone claims (I think in reality it's a 5-10% increase in the possibility of physical deformation/psychological disorder) but this is because of doubling recessive genetic possibilities, and you can go ahead and look it up yourself. But more realistically, it's the largest and most widely accepted social taboo. The reason of this is in part due to the strong and deep emotional ties one has with a family. Those can be manipulated and preyed upon to cause harm to younger members of a family that could cause them to feel obligation to feed those that wish to take advantage of them. As with homosexuality, there is a discussion on the actual legality of banning such a relationship, but allowing it allows for much more harm than good.

[Downfall]

Watch the incest Animes. For what is wrong with incest if there is nothing wrong with homosexuality?
Don't give me that genetic disorder bullshit. It's just that - bullshit.[/QUOTE]

I never said I was against it, I agree.

[the_paul]

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you and t0ne would get along rather well.

[Celestial Jeddak]

Pro life. Now I need to make a note to not come back to this thread to get ranted at.

So you are pro-insemination-kits, pro-sex as well? There is no choice to or not to have sex or be pregnant or to create life. For an infidel must impregnate the giant citadel.

Tel-cat what do you think about incest?

Watch the incest Animes. For what is wrong with incest if there is nothing wrong with homosexuality?
Don't give me that genetic disorder bullshit. It's just that - bullshit.

[Celestial Jeddak]

Whether to have an abortion, it is usually a couple's choice not just the mother's - that is if they are together. But if they have already broken up, then the party effected the most - the one who is going to carry the baby for the next 9 months and then spend more time nurturing the child is obviously the one to have a say.

Father has to pay the child support is because it is his child too. I am sure if the father gets the child custody and the mother is mega rich, then she has to pay for child support.
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My point is the father may not want the child, the mother may decide to not take a birth control pill or have an abortion. The mother has complete legal right to have or not to have an abortion. Well, as far as I know, the father has to pay child support before the child is born if he wants to stop an abortion. That doesn't apply to getting an abortion, only stopping it. The father has to pay child support regardless. And there's no way to opt out of child-support. You might not see the asymmetry. Yes, some women do pay child support. I think 9 months of pregnancy is irrelevant to my point, though definitely relevant elsewhere.

Part of the problem is sex and reproductive functions are combined in males and not in women. (?.. maybe)
Woman may take the sperm of man and inseminate thyself. The links are somewhat interesting.

"DON'T MESS WITH ME MAN, I'M A LAWYER." No, I'm not. You should already know to take everything I say with a kilogram of salt anyway.

[Crescent Seal]

5.5

[DoTheFandango]

I'm setting the legitimate over/under at 2.5. all bets sent via paypal

[DoTheFandango]

ITT we guess how many abortions pandagirl has had

[Pandagirl!]

I got your back bro

[Downfall]

Tel-cat what do you think about incest?

[gran guerrero]

Pro life. Now I need to make a note to not come back to this thread to get ranted at.

HOW DARE YOU SIDE WITH JESUS THAN SCIENCE FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[the_paul]

Pro life. Now I need to make a note to not come back to this thread to get ranted at.

[T3l Ca7]

Pro-Death and Pro-Fate

Actually I have never thought of it, I am pro-choice and I believe in fate. How could someone believe in fate also believeing in giving people choices?

The mother has the choice on abortion. The father doesn't.
The father has to pay child support, regardless of his choices.

Whether to have an abortion, it is usually a couple's choice not just the mother's - that is if they are together. But if they have already broken up, then the party effected the most - the one who is going to carry the baby for the next 9 months and then spend more time nurturing the child is obviously the one to have a say.

Father has to pay the child support is because it is his child too. I am sure if the father gets the child custody and the mother is mega rich, then she has to pay for child support.

Something along the lines of... take the highest earner in the family, for each 20k income you can afford 1 child. If you can't afford it, don't have it.

This reminds me, once a couple were renting from my parents. The husband was a carpenter, the wife doesn't have any regular job. By the time they moved out, they ended up having 5 children. Back then for every baby you have, then Australian government gives you $5k so called baby bonus. So they would have gotten $25000 in baby bonus alone. Together with other forms of social security, they probably have gotten $50000 from Australian tax payers in a couple of years time.

Am I saying this is wrong? No, because my circle of highly educated, highly paid friends, they either don't have children, or if they do they don't seem to be interested in having more than 2.

[Rab]

I'm pro choosing-for-stupid-people.

Too many peeps in UK getting handouts based on how many mistakes they've squeezed out.

Something along the lines of... take the highest earner in the family, for each 20k income you can afford 1 child. If you can't afford it, don't have it.