Pro-life or pro-choice?

[Celestial Jeddak]

Pro life. Now I need to make a note to not come back to this thread to get ranted at.

So you are pro-insemination-kits, pro-sex as well? There is no choice to or not to have sex or be pregnant or to create life. For an infidel must impregnate the giant citadel.

Tel-cat what do you think about incest?

Watch the incest Animes. For what is wrong with incest if there is nothing wrong with homosexuality?
Don't give me that genetic disorder bullshit. It's just that - bullshit.

[the_paul]

I literally have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you and t0ne would get along rather well.

[Downfall]

Watch the incest Animes. For what is wrong with incest if there is nothing wrong with homosexuality?
Don't give me that genetic disorder bullshit. It's just that - bullshit.[/QUOTE]

I never said I was against it, I agree.

[DoTheFandango]

Genetic disorder bullshit is not bullshit. It's not as high as everyone claims (I think in reality it's a 5-10% increase in the possibility of physical deformation/psychological disorder) but this is because of doubling recessive genetic possibilities, and you can go ahead and look it up yourself. But more realistically, it's the largest and most widely accepted social taboo. The reason of this is in part due to the strong and deep emotional ties one has with a family. Those can be manipulated and preyed upon to cause harm to younger members of a family that could cause them to feel obligation to feed those that wish to take advantage of them. As with homosexuality, there is a discussion on the actual legality of banning such a relationship, but allowing it allows for much more harm than good.

[Welfare]

stem cells ftw

[Downfall]

Genetic disorder bullshit is not bullshit. It's not as high as everyone claims (I think in reality it's a 5-10% increase in the possibility of physical deformation/psychological disorder) but this is because of doubling recessive genetic possibilities, and you can go ahead and look it up yourself. But more realistically, it's the largest and most widely accepted social taboo. The reason of this is in part due to the strong and deep emotional ties one has with a family. Those can be manipulated and preyed upon to cause harm to younger members of a family that could cause them to feel obligation to feed those that wish to take advantage of them. As with homosexuality, there is a discussion on the actual legality of banning such a relationship, but allowing it allows for much more harm than good.

For the genetic disorder stuff, lets say in theory, this brother-sister couple (age difference of 2 years) stated they were not going to have any kids, and protected sex, if they had it. Then all that is left is society's point of view of incest as a "social taboo" and if their point of view has no foundation (as the genetic disorder thing does not play since this couple is not having kids) is it still reasonable to consider it a social taboo?

As for taking advantage of younger ones, the whole philisophy is adults who are of age and consenting should be able to love who they want, so this would be a problem to deal with after, if it did start occuring. I dont think its fair to put a ban on something like this for "potential" problems that may arise.

I feel you have to be either,
Ok with gay marriage and incest
or not ok with gay marriage and incest

I feel there are toooo many people in the "I'm ok with gay marriage, but incest thats messed up!" category. Both are social taboos why is one accepted now and not the other.

[Spock!]

Once seed meets egg, its a human life form. Killing a helpless young human is a heinous crime against humanity. (Just use a damn condom.) Even in the case of rape I don't believe in it, you would just be committing a worse crime than the one committed against you. They will say "My body, my choice" or some bullshit like that, but what about that poor little person inside you? He/she doesn't get a choice and should have at the very minimum the right to come into existence.

Amen.

[Spock!]

Since being gay came up:

I think it is a sickly thing that goes against human instinct. But just because I disagree with their lifestyle doesn't mean that I treat them any different from any other human. They are making a choice that doesn't harm any others, unlike abortion.

I think they should be able to get married, or legal unions whatever, because I don't think the government has the right to interfere with people private lives.

I am just so sick of all the gay promoting in the media, gosh. We all acknowledge that they exist, now stop shoving it in our faces.

[DoTheFandango]

I don't think the two are mutually inclusive at all. One is the act of strangers that meet and have a mutual relationship. There's a definite differences in two marginally related adults (which I believe what you are referring to) having an adult relationship and a relationship that is created out of the sickness of an adult indoctrinating his family with beliefs of inbreeding. There are too many volatile emotions involved with the idea of consent when it comes to family lines. You can't "worry about this later" when it is a prevalent wrench in your thought process.

[DoTheFandango]

But why the fuck are we talking about incest when we can be talking about delicious, delicious abortions. How many have you guys paid for? What was your favorite part? Mine was keeping the car warm and listening to Paul Simon's "Graceland" while the lady toyed around and did what she had to do. Such a great album.

[T3l Ca7]

Tel-cat what do you think about incest?

Ok, if I say I support gay marriage and against murder, then incest comes somewhere in between.

I heard of openly gay, fat and proud ... maybe even public cross dressers. But I have never heard of openly incest and proud? I am sure if you do it behind your closed doors, I will just try to not know about it. In other words, it is your choice if you want to do it, but I don't think you will have many supporters.

P.S. hump your young single, hot step-sister is totally fine IMO ... as long as your are not closely biologically related.

[Celestial Jeddak]

is because of doubling recessive genetic possibilities

This is what the 'genetic disorders' really are. I just call it bullshit..

[Celestial Jeddak]

For the genetic disorder stuff, lets say in theory, this brother-sister couple (age difference of 2 years) stated they were not going to have any kids, and protected sex, if they had it. Then all that is left is society's point of view of incest as a "social taboo" and if their point of view has no foundation (as the genetic disorder thing does not play since this couple is not having kids) is it still reasonable to consider it a social taboo?

As for taking advantage of younger ones, the whole philisophy is adults who are of age and consenting should be able to love who they want, so this would be a problem to deal with after, if it did start occuring. I dont think its fair to put a ban on something like this for "potential" problems that may arise.

I feel you have to be either,
Ok with gay marriage and incest
or not ok with gay marriage and incest

I feel there are toooo many people in the "I'm ok with gay marriage, but incest thats messed up!" category. Both are social taboos why is one accepted now and not the other.

DoTheFandango said, more concisely and clearly than I would have (sigh), what I mostly think about incest. As far as what you're saying, I've had those thoughts/problem too. Ok with gay marriage but nothing else.. probably because the media feeds everyone opinions to adopt.

It might be that a proper study on the psychology or whatever concerning the affects and origins of love, sex, and incest. Well, I'm just keeping this really short. But that's what I think.

Who knows. Maybe if incest is ok then having sex with your kids will be ok. Something along those lines. Wouldn't want to damage the economy though..

[Epinephrine]

I'm pro life. There shouldn't be a death penalty. Since I don't believe that a person is a person until they are born, abortions are not a problem for me as they don't count.

As for incest, the problem is that incest creates certain severe power imbalances which is one reason why it's frowned upon. Imagine if a father sexually abuses his child, but then says 'well it was a consensual relationship!'. Where I live, you can consent at 14, so it's actually a real problem. Furthermore, you can have siblings or even older parents/older children (>18) 'blackmailing' each other for sex and so on. By clearly stating that 'it's wrong', then you get that out of the way. Perhaps there can be certain exceptional cases where it's probably morally okay (i.e. last 2 people alive, need to do something with your time and you're both adults), but those are few and far between.

That said I'm sure there were ancient societies where this was accepted. Especially in the 'upper classes', where you're only allowed to marry certain people of certain linages. I'm sure just as first cousin marriage was allowed, there's been countless sibling examples too.

[Supreme]

The main problem, besides the power imbalance, is that it creates sub-par genetics